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a farmer watering his fields in lincolnshire

Brand:Sony
Camera:Sony A450
Lens:75-300mm F4.5-5.6
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:14 Sep 2011 - 1:41 PM
Focal Length:300mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.6
Aperture:f/7.1
Shutter Speed:1/2000sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Shutter speed priority AE
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:water jet
Username:keithsutton keithsutton
Uploaded:14 Sep 2011 - 7:19 PM
Tags:Drought, Fields, Landscape / travel, Water, Water canon
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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10867 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2865 Constructive Critique Points
14 Sep 2011 - 8:23 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Your shot settings look fine, however the image has quite a strong red cast for some reason.



Ive corrected it in a mod so you can see the difference, - and sharpened also. Perhaps you have something set up in the camera that giving this result, - some sort of picture style? Or maybe theres something in post processing thats causing it. Could perhaps be a white balance setting you selected other than auto?

If you are shooting in JPEG, check your settings.



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Willie

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
14 Sep 2011 - 8:45 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Something is wrong - red/magenta cast and I suspect a bit of over exposure. Using spot metering on an auto setting is not a good idea unless you are sure you are metering from a colour equating to 18% grey. Best to meter from the correct detail with spot and set the readings on manual.

Paul

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banehawi
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14 Sep 2011 - 9:33 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Didnt notice the spot metering, - i would imagine this may have been an error? Use the default average metering for most shots I should think.


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keithsutton
15 Sep 2011 - 8:04 AM

shooting in raw only, could be post processing, i use cs5 on an hp pavillion G6, could also be my monitor not callibrated correctly, white balance set at cloudy, as i tend to shoot mainly sunsets/sunrises to give a warmer shot, once again, thanx guys

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pamelajean Critique Team 8769 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1597 Constructive Critique Points
15 Sep 2011 - 9:54 PM

Apart from the colour cast, Keith, I thought I would make a few other comments. Your sky is burnt out and featureless because your camera was exposing for the land. Try not to shoot into the light, and use a polarizer to try to get some colour in the sky. I don't think the bits of out-of-focus foliage in the foreground lend anything to the image. I'd like to have seen at least one straight line on the horizontal. The part of the water nearest to the jet is burnt out, so you could consider using some exposure compensation and lift the rest of the image in editing. In my modification I used the magic wand to select the sky and made it blue. I used perspective correction to get a few of the lines straight. I cropped to eliminate the foreground foliage and also took a bit off the right, then extended the sky for more balance of the layering of the horizontal lines. I made an attempt to remove the red, reduced highlights and adjusted levels.
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keithsutton
16 Sep 2011 - 1:48 PM

boy, beginning to wish i hadnt bothered, it wasnt a blue sky that day just bland grey, i dont believe in altering a photo to make it look right, i try to capture the hear and now, after all adding a space station, just to fill that empty space is not exactly factual, the criticism about the colour cast, and maybe the foreground i can accept, but the non straight horizon?, well the spirit level on my hotshoe was central, so next time i see something that interests me, ill go ask the farmer to straiten his fields, as for shooting into the sun, i have done this on many occasions, and from my point of view i sell quiet a few, and although ill never be rich, from the general publics point of view, they must be worth having, they part with their well earned cash.
I can take criticism, but to be torn to bits, well, maybe in future ill ask my city and guilds photographic friends for their honest opinion

Last Modified By keithsutton at 16 Sep 2011 - 2:01 PM

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61587 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
20 Sep 2011 - 8:52 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

hi,
the colour balance is clearly an issue here, i have to agree and in principle its exactly the effect that you would get using cloudy white balance but it shouldnt matter in raw as it only records the data and you can tune the balance in raw conversion. on the final jpeg you could try match colour and tick the neutralise box or fine tune in colour/sat or variations. the best way is to do it on the 16bit raw before reducing to 8 bit jpeg.

spot metering is also not the best choice on a subject which is typically close to 18% grey to start with, here its unclear which section the meter was pointed at, but overall the exposure is light without a deal of contrast. post processing could change all these things in raw inclusing possibly pulling detail back into the water highlight which is overexposed at the point of the cannon.

the basis of the subject is interesting enough but there is a bit too much going on, its excessively complex with many minor distractions. simple is better in composition and here, there are many layers and centres of interest leaving the eye wandering around without a principle point of interest. maybe the thing that attracted you was the water, and yet that may the element that taken away would leave the stronger image instead concentrating on the layers and church.

eitherway to compose the best from this viewpoint, id suggest losing the out of focus band bottom of frame, and take away some of that bald sky which is never helpful in a landscape. sorry but a 0.9 nd grad would have retained the pale blue feeling i feel sure was there at the taking and made the whole scene much stronger. if the sky was totally bald, then next time choose a position that allows the composition to eliminate the sky altogether. bald skies are usually the times when a landscape tog packs up and returns another day.

Phil

Last Modified By NEWMANP at 20 Sep 2011 - 8:55 PM

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