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hi all,
in a way i feel stuck in terms of my photography. it seems that i can't take a decent shot lately, which is really frustrating...
take this one for example, the idea behind it was to take an everyday subject and try to make an unusual shot of it so it will draw your attention (for me it has always been the magic of photography).
apparently i failed big time in doing so, as the only comment i got on this one in the main gallery was that someone was sorry he couldn't see the point of it...

i'd like to hear anything you have to say about composition, technical things (exposure, focus etc.) or whatever you felt when you looked at it.

thanks for looking, i really appreciate it

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Title:Whats wrong with it?
Username:PavelGor PavelGor
Uploaded:24 Oct 2008 - 10:46 AM
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Craggwildlife
Craggwildlife e2 Member 572 forum postsCraggwildlife vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
24 Oct 2008 - 10:54 AM

definately draws your attention..

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ShedMan
ShedMan  9 South Africa2 Constructive Critique Points
24 Oct 2008 - 10:58 AM

I actually like it because of the unusual angle, the way the line of the fence curves off into the distance. The only thing I would have done differently would be to clone / crop the very first fencepost out (i.e. the one in the foreground, bottom right) as I find it a little distracting even though it's out of focus.

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blackforce
24 Oct 2008 - 1:48 PM

I can see what you were trying to do with the photo.

I would have like to have seen it the right way up and see more stuff in the foreground to the right.

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Barbaraj
Barbaraj  7450 forum posts England
24 Oct 2008 - 4:10 PM

I can see you wanted to experiment, but it makes me want to tilt my head and straighten it.

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Paintman
Paintman e2 Member 8857 forum postsPaintman vcard United Kingdom173 Constructive Critique Points
24 Oct 2008 - 5:49 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I think this compositionally pretty good and I see it as more of an abstract. If you squint so it looks blurred, then it works well. Because it still retains all of its detail and is tilted, it is difficult to see it as anything but a tilted photo.

If you had perhaps over-exposed the shot by at least 1-stop and set the aperture at about f2.8 and focussed so everything was really out of focus ( allowing the shapes to start melting into each other ), then this would produce something the eye isn't used to. As a result this should stop people from tilting their heads and to see it as formal elements composed on the diagonal. The composition creates a dynamic feel and one of movement and imbalance.

The mod I did is only one answer to the problem and not necessrily the correct one, but it does show ( I hope ), what can happen when the details are reduced so the objects become less recognizable and start to become formal elements to be composed within and in relation to the boundary of the frame.

Keep looking for the unusual and different angles and you should start to become sensitive to the possibilities of images like the one you have here.

Alan.

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Paintman
Paintman e2 Member 8857 forum postsPaintman vcard United Kingdom173 Constructive Critique Points
24 Oct 2008 - 6:43 PM

Don't get upset by someone saying they can't see the point in a certain photo. You found something in the shot that moved or interested you enough to take the picture and spend time on it. We are not all the same and all have different interests and emotional responses to things. Keep taking photos of the things that interest you and work hard at finding the best position and angle to communicate that interest.

Alan.

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pamelajean Critique Team 8769 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1598 Constructive Critique Points
24 Oct 2008 - 7:23 PM

Hello, Pavel, I felt I should add my two pennies' worth because I really like diagonals like this and have some in my portfolio. I'm sorry I didn't see it before, because I would have voted for it. I agree with ShedMan, and have cropped the image in my modification. I wanted to get the ends of the fence into the corners. I wouldn't personally use such shallow dof, but the more I look at this, the more I like it, and you have given me some food for thought. Just that small bit of detail in focus is very effective. I can imagine there are several angles from which this fence could be taken, each interesting in its own right, and if it is near to you, it might help your photographer's block to go back and reconsider this. In my mod, as I said, I cropped, a personal choice. Then I lightened the image, took down the highlights and added some saturation because I really like the autumn leaves.
Pamela.
PS: I like your "Rusty" picture of the wire in your pf.

Last Modified By pamelajean at 24 Oct 2008 - 7:24 PM

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10868 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2867 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2008 - 12:22 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I think youre being a little too hard on yourself Pavel.

First thing to know is that we all go through dry phases, or are stuck creatively, and it passes, - so if you feel youre in that phase, have patience, it will go away.

Next, - the shot, and youre reaction to a negative comment. The first question to ask yourself is do YOU like it? If you do, - then the opinions of others should not have the weight you are giving them. Many shots are very personal, and are not appreciated by many. If you are specifically trying to take shots that will appeal to many people in addition to yourself, then you are at the point where you want to learn, - and you will also understand that negative feedback is a way to learn too.

You stated goal with this shot was to take a picture of an everyday object and make it look different so it draws attention. Thats a very lofty objective in my opinion. You have completely succeeded on the first 2 parts of your goal, but not completely on the third according to your view, - so thats not bad in my opinion.

So lets look at the shot objectively, and answer your questions:

Technical: Exposure looks good, - but you didnt provide any exposure details. try to always do this when looking for critiques.

Depth of field looks shallow, - again you didnt let us know which aperture you used, - but I think is was good enough to give a sharp area falling off to out of focus areas front and back.

The colour, contrast all look fine.

Thats leaves us with the composition. Its a diagonal comp, - which can work, however in this case its also tilted, so it can give the sense of unease, or falling, or that something is not right. It could be the basis for some manipulation, or an abstract, but if I think of making this different, how about a refection of the railng in the water, a close up of a small detail, - a scene shot through the railings to use them as a frame, etc?

I loaded a mod with the shot straightened (I cloned in some areas) and already in my view it starts to look better, - and with some conversion to B&W and toning, you have a completely different type of mood.

You have many good shots in your portfolio, - keep taking shots, - dont be discouraged and take all feedback, - good and bad, as an opportunity to learn.

I hope you find this long feedback useful in some way,


Regards


Willie

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Jestertheclown
25 Oct 2008 - 12:49 AM

What's wrong with it?
Well, nothing really.
If you like it, it doesn't mean that others have to.
I do like it, although, I think that removing the first post was a good idea. Also I've rotated it through 90 degrees for no reason other than to see how it looks and added some soft focus.
I'm a firm believer in taking photographs of things of no significance and for no particular reason and this railing is a great example.
It's got all of us talking about it so . . .
. . . there's nothing wrong with it!

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PavelGor
PavelGor  10 Israel
26 Oct 2008 - 12:51 PM

hi guys,
sorry for the late comment, i wasn't around an internet connection in the last couple of days.

thanks a lot for the very usefull advice, and of caurse, for chearing me up Smile

Pavel.

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