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FL 200mm.
SS 1/640
ISO 400
+/- -0.7

Camera:Nikon D90 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:Nikon 70-200 VR 2.8
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:White leopard
Username:MikeRC MikeRC
Uploaded:27 Dec 2009 - 6:50 PM
Tags:Pets / captive animals
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MikeH
MikeH  9217 forum posts England4 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 6:58 PM

What aperture was this then Mike?
Mike

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MikeRC
MikeRC e2 Member 93496 forum postsMikeRC vcard United Kingdom
27 Dec 2009 - 7:04 PM

sorry Mike....missed it off didn't I......2.8

....Mike

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miptog
miptog  83532 forum posts United Kingdom61 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 7:08 PM

Which focusing mode were you using. The fur on the nape of the neck looks in focus, whilst the eyes are out of focus.

Also, as a general rule f/5.6 would give you a better chance of getting the eye and nose etc. in focus.

Last Modified By miptog at 27 Dec 2009 - 7:09 PM

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keith selmes
27 Dec 2009 - 7:12 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Seems to me the nose and eyes are a bit soft and low contrast, probably through being not quite in focus. The left ear and the hairs on the top and back of the head are sharp, then it starts to fade again. The right ear looks a bit odd to me, almost as though oversharpened, it might be due to the change in colour around the edge.
The bokeh is very nice, very smooth background, which is partly what you pay for in a good lens.

So I think probably it is dof problem, compounded by the point of sharp focus being not in quite the right place.

I wonder also if it would benefit from brightening up a touch in software.

Last Modified By keith selmes at 27 Dec 2009 - 7:12 PM

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keith selmes
27 Dec 2009 - 7:17 PM

So 2.8 would be a touch optimistic and its probably not necessary to cut it so fine, 5.6 probably would have been OK, and 4 focused just behind the snout (muzzle ?) might have done it.

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MikeH
MikeH  9217 forum posts England4 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 7:25 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Looking at this Mike carefully shows that the eyes , nose and mouth area are out of focus while the top of the head is sharper.

The use of f2.8 has restricted your D.OF. At this wide aperture the focus point is very critical as there is little d.o.f . and even a small distance can make a difference to the sharpness of the eyes nose etc.
Trying f4 or f5.6 would give more latitude in focusing while keeping the background still out of focus. However at 4 or 5.6 your shutter speed would be slower so you could nudge up the iso to compensate.
Also I notice you have ev set to -O.7 you would probably get away with -0.3 , this would help with shutter speed.
I know it is a VR lens but a monopod would have really helped here with stability, yet allowing you to retain flexibility of following the action.
Your lens can be used confidentally at f2.8, it is designed that way and is why you paid a shed load of dosh for that confidence, however technique is all and once mastered you will be amazed at what it can give you,
Wish Santa had brought me one!!

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pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 7:35 PM

I am sure you know this - if you have a VR lens you should not use a tripod (as suggested above) unless you turn off the VR - it does make a huge difference I can vouch for that having read it via Nikon newsletters and then trying it for myself.
Love the shot but have to agree with the point about dof and exposure and focus but you have all the advice you need above so I will stop myself here.

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81102 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 8:29 PM

Mike , the critical thing to look at is how you have set the autofocus area on you camera.

Did you have it set to random wide a/f , or general focus area selection or (imho) the best choice , spot autofocus ?

Setting to spot metering and spot a/f will always give the best results , half click and recompose might have helped !

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MikeRC
MikeRC e2 Member 93496 forum postsMikeRC vcard United Kingdom
27 Dec 2009 - 9:02 PM

Eviscera....not sure I understand, the camera is generally set to 3D colour matrix..recommended in the manual.
I usually shoot on AF-A.
I always try to half click and recompose my shots but doesn't always work for me.
cheers....Mike

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shawpaul
shawpaul  9 United Kingdom7 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 9:02 PM

In order to get the best from your shot, I first applied "clarify" found in my adjust programme in Coral paint shop at strength 4, then I used the burn tool to darken the nose area in CS2, and a little of the "dodge" lightening tool, with more time and effort we could get better results, but the advice on exposure being the smallest we can get away with the sharper is the best advice possible when shooting anything going to, or likely to move fast! - Paul

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MikeRC e2 Member 93496 forum postsMikeRC vcard United Kingdom
27 Dec 2009 - 9:06 PM


Quote: Also, as a general rule f/5.6 would give you a better chance of getting the eye and nose etc. in focus

cheers miptog...is it possible, in simple terms, to say why ? or not ?
..is it more complex than that ?

...Mike

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lianna
lianna  4 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 9:16 PM

it has potential to be a lovely capture, unfortunately the focus appears to be in the wrong place, the nape of the neck is lovely and sharp where as the eyes are a tad out of focus. other than that the colouring and lighting is really good. this could be an amazing photo, 100% for effort. look forward to seeing some more of your work x x

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81102 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 9:28 PM

Forget the manual. Find the spot a/f option on your cam , and either pre-focus on a place the subject will move into or keep a high shutter speed if able.

The plane of focus is all wrong on this image , you got seduced by the f2.8 and in any event the background tones (greens and reds) dont sit well with the subject tones (greys)

I did you a link on plane of focus , do you want one for the colour wheel ?

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MikeH
MikeH  9217 forum posts England4 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 9:42 PM

Pluckyfill is quite right that a VR lens on a tripod should have the VR switched off. However with a monopod in use there is also a seperate setting on the lens which allows VR to work only on the vertical plane so allowing for effective panning.

Last Modified By MikeH at 27 Dec 2009 - 9:43 PM

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MikeRC e2 Member 93496 forum postsMikeRC vcard United Kingdom
27 Dec 2009 - 9:48 PM


Quote: I did you a link on plane of focus , do you want one for the colour wheel ?

...thanks Eviscera but I suspect it would be wasted on me.

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81102 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
27 Dec 2009 - 9:59 PM

Mike , your works really good , just p.m once you've finished trying the app sets and planes mate.

I was never blowing trumpets , I'm in many ways artistically pissed off as you. Hard to find solace eh !

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom850 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2009 - 2:12 PM

There is a very simple basic problem here and it has nothing to do with depth of field or VR. Part of the image is sharp, so the VR worked. You focused on the wrong spot.

The best way to set up your focusing system for most shots - not all - is center spot AF. Just use the central AF point, lock focus and recompose before shooting.

If I were shooting set piece photography - zoos etc. rather than unpredictable images, then I would use a monopod at least and switch off Vr, IS or whatever it gets called. Vr is for spontaneous imaging.

Focus on the eyes.

Paul

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MikeRC
MikeRC e2 Member 93496 forum postsMikeRC vcard United Kingdom
29 Dec 2009 - 3:53 PM

Thanks everyone for you help...still trying to digest it all :
...but getting there.

regards.....Mike

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