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Took this picture at around 7:00am at Zonqor area, Marsascala (eastern coast of Malta).

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 600D
Lens:EF-S18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:22 Oct 2012 - 12:00 AM
Focal Length:27mm
Aperture:f/4.0
Shutter Speed:1/50sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Manual
Title:Countryside Sunrise
Username:alistairfarrugia alistairfarrugia
Uploaded:24 Oct 2012 - 9:58 PM
Tags:Landscape, Landscape / travel, Sunrise
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arhab
arhab  243 forum posts Indonesia2 Constructive Critique Points
24 Oct 2012 - 11:53 PM

not very dramatic, but i like it. the different color between fore, mid, and background making the image not boring. and i like the diagonal line too, giving more interest. maybe darken the sky will give more drama to the sky.

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Irishkate
Irishkate e2 Member 4Irishkate vcard United Kingdom73 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 1:10 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Good diagonal lead in but the image is a bit lack lustre.
I've done a mod adding more contrast and saturation.
It's not a dramatic change but you can judge for yourself.
I've found when I'm capturing sunsets/sunrises to obtain best colour I focus on
the red usually then recompose it seems to bring out the best in the sky.
Also instead of the stone structure you've included, a tree would be a more picturesque
feature.
KateGrin

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alistairfarrugia
alistairfarrugia Critique Team 2164 forum posts Malta88 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 6:35 AM

Thanks for the feedback. In this image I tried to avoid saturation and contrast adjustments that would put me in the risk of over saturating the picture or make it look unnatural. But I can see I had enough margin to do so.

Will try to focus on the red portion next time and see what it leads to. Wink

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10901 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2894 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 1:59 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Aperture is too wide to get any depth in this shot. You need to be around f/11, and increase your ISO. Theres some evidence around the tree on the left where some darkening of the sea has been done, - need to zoom in and use small brushes for this to be more subtle; the lead in unfortunately leads right in to a concrete block, so it doesnt work overall from a composition point of view.
The idea is good, but you need to consider the subject more.

Im assuming Kates "focus on the red" and re compose means that you expose for the sky, by metering off the sky, locking the exposure, then re compose to include the land.


Regards


Willie

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alistairfarrugia
alistairfarrugia Critique Team 2164 forum posts Malta88 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 3:54 PM

I was still in lazy mode when I took this...Had the tripod on me and didn't use it with this one. It was 6.50am or so and I was only focusing on composing it with the structure in that position (ignore the exif, it's wrong there, probably relates to editing time).

I now can understand why I should have opted for a higher f/stop for aperture - you're obviously right. Next time, I'll do so and make sure I USE the tripod, not leave it in the car. Lazy me. Got to use it in some later shots though. Will upload some more stuff later.

I think on my lens, f/16 is already in the image degradation range (at f/11 diffraction starts to set in, according to some reviews and calculators I found online), so I'd probably stick with f/10 and a longer enough exposure.

As regards composition, I did want to lead in to the structure - I know it's not much but there weren't trees around with such a lead-in, would have preferred that too otherwise.

Finally, as regards the re-touching, I think it's probably the HDR method I used as I don't recall touching up the sea with brushes. It's likely the Lighting setting in Photomatix, some are not realistic at all and they give that glow around subjects that looks really ugly. That detail had gone unnoticed to me until now, thanks!!

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom858 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 4:26 PM

You did not mention HDR in your pre-amble and that explains all. This did not need HDR, which is only meant to be usd when the dynamic tonal range of the scene is outside that of the sensors capabilities. HDR has, in my view spoiltmore images than it saved.

This has the potential to be quite nice but needs a touch more contrast and brightening up. Neither of which should increase saturation.

Care with HDR,

Paul

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alistairfarrugia
alistairfarrugia Critique Team 2164 forum posts Malta88 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 4:35 PM

I will double check what I did with this as I'm not 100% sure whether it was HDR or not. I tend to have a very short memory! Either way I'll try fix the issues mentioned and upload a better version . Thanks all.

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Davesumner
26 Oct 2012 - 12:16 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi Alistair,


Quote: I was still in lazy mode when I took this...Had the tripod on me and didn't use it with this one

Tut Tut Alistair, you get yourself up to catch the sunrise, take your tripod and then leave it in the car? If you'd used your tripod and a smaller aperture you would have a much better image because dropping the aperture size to say f/11 or f/16 you would have increased the DoF but also dropped the shutter speed to around a 1/10th of a second making the shot very difficult to hand hold and get sharp making the tripod essential. Don't be tempted to raise your ISO unless you absolutely have to, only as a last resort. ISO is the first thing you set on your camera and the very last thing you change.

For me the image is nice but the foreground is too busy with all of those rocks and stones scattered all over the place. Also the image is quite flat and lacks contrast which often happens if you meter off a darker area and lose your image contrast as becomes a bit washed out. I love the warm sky and the wall that leads us into the image but as Willie has said, the concrete building isn't a pleasurable object to be lead to. Also angles tend to work better travelling from bottom left to top right so flipping this image may help. unfortunately flipping the image after you've shown it around doesn't always work because it becomes a little odd to look at however, if you show both options to someone who hasn't seen the image it would be interesting to see which they like best.

I have uploaded a mod to show this but if i were taking this shot I think I would have got closer to a foreground object such as the wall and not shown as much of the field etc. Successful sunrise/sunset shots are planned out a few days earlier where the foreground, middle and backgrounds are looked at ready for a return in the right conditions. Give this a try and see how you go. Learn where you exposure lock button is and use it to meter from different tones in the scene to see what results you get. The AE Lock button is normally a right thumb button on the top right of the back of your camera body and is usually marked with a star shape. If you take your tripod, USE IT, don't leave it in your car. get there early, setup on the tripod and wait for the sunrise. The light changes dramatically as the sun comes up over the period of first light to about an hour after sunrise, experiment with all lights and exposures.

These three shots HERE were all taken from exactly the same location on the same day but around an hour apart. So you can see that the light changes dramatically over the sunset period so it is important that you get there early and leave once the light becomes too bright.

Hope this helps

DaVeS

Last Modified By Davesumner at 26 Oct 2012 - 12:23 AM

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alistairfarrugia
alistairfarrugia Critique Team 2164 forum posts Malta88 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2012 - 6:53 AM

Helps a lot David! Thanks. The thought of locking exposure hadn't crossed my mind. I know how to do it but typically not When to do it. A
Still relatively young in the field hehe Smile

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alistairfarrugia Critique Team 2164 forum posts Malta88 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2012 - 5:38 PM

This was in fact HDR - I didn't remember to tag it in as well. Tried getting a similar result from the original RAW file without HDR and it's very hard to get close, as original picture wasn't great quality to begin with. I'll learn from this and improve. Long exposure, low ISO, f/10 aperture minimum, f/16 suggested. Will do my best to remember and get back with a better sunrise shot next time.

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