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Showing the sun peeking above huntcliffe with the pier in the foreground. For some reason the image has a lot of grain on it which is there on the raw image. Would be interested to know why?
I used an ND4and polorising filter.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:EF17-40mm f/4L USM
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:21 Sep 2011 - 6:04 AM
Focal Length:22mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/20.0
Shutter Speed:1/13sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Sunrise over Saltburn
Username:AR_Photography AR_Photography
Uploaded:23 Sep 2011 - 5:08 PM
Tags:General, Landscape / travel
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IanBurton
IanBurton  571 forum posts United Kingdom7 Constructive Critique Points
23 Sep 2011 - 7:25 PM

Hi Tony,

First of all nice comp and colour caught in the clouds.

Secondly, I can't see that much grain other than what seems to be appearing in the sky, more particularly where the blue sky is darkest near the top. It maybe that you over-egged the polarising effect. Another thing could be the picture style you are using in-camera. If you use one with higher sharpening and/or saturation then these can cause noise levels to rise as I found out. I tend to use Neutral and sometimes Landscape and tweek the sharpeness etc in post production. Hope this helps.

Ian

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 479 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
24 Sep 2011 - 8:10 AM

This is lovely Tony: a fine composition, great sky and good timing to place the sun just peaking over. I can make a few suggestions that I think can improve the image, all done in the mod. I have slightly deepened the blacks, removed noise, cleaned up the sky a bit then just a touch of sharpening.
Hope this helps but I have no suggestions regarding the graining I'm afraid.
Phil

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AR_Photography
24 Sep 2011 - 9:11 AM


Quote: Hi Tony,

First of all nice comp and colour caught in the clouds.

Secondly, I can't see that much grain other than what seems to be appearing in the sky, more particularly where the blue sky is darkest near the top. It maybe that you over-egged the polarising effect. Another thing could be the picture style you are using in-camera. If you use one with higher sharpening and/or saturation then these can cause noise levels to rise as I found out. I tend to use Neutral and sometimes Landscape and tweek the sharpeness etc in post production. Hope this helps.

Ian

Thanks Ian some good ideas

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AR_Photography
24 Sep 2011 - 9:14 AM


Quote: This is lovely Tony: a fine composition, great sky and good timing to place the sun just peaking over. I can make a few suggestions that I think can improve the image, all done in the mod. I have slightly deepened the blacks, removed noise, cleaned up the sky a bit then just a touch of sharpening.
Hope this helps but I have no suggestions regarding the graining I'm afraid.
Phil

Thanks Phil Mod looks good. I think the graining only showing up when I blow up the image. I downloaded a Noiseware software package that has done the trick. Smile

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Jestertheclown
25 Sep 2011 - 11:09 AM

I can't see much wrong with the composition here and the noise isn't too much of a problem. I imagine that the little that there is could be dealt withnquite easily with software.
Phil's mod. looks good.
As for he "advertising" as Frank calls it, your logo, in this instance is perhaps a bit big but the choice of whether or not to include one is entirely yours. Some people here don't like them and will always tell you to remove them. Others, like myself, can live with them, provided they aren't too unsightly.
Any genuine, blatant advertising will be picked up by the team and they'l ask you not to do it but I don't think that that's the case here. Perhaps just make it a bit smaller.
Overall, a pretty good sdhot.

Bren.

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AR_Photography
27 Sep 2011 - 11:39 AM


Quote: You have caught the sun very nicely just above the headland, but although it is approx 1/3 the way in, it is central vertically.
Composition could be improved firstly by a little more base, the location of the pier is somewaht low in the frame but also the sky here is too much. I would sugegst cropping the sky to place the horizon closer to 1/3 the way up, as the sky above that point offers very little compared with the sky below.
This together with a little brightening and removal of the advert (You say you are a beginner yet you advertise a business?) makes, I feel, a better composition.
There is no need for text to appear on any image in EPZ. It is easily removed, but if you feel you must, then why not just place your name alone in a small font within a narrow border, so that your image remains clear. Your web site is shown with your profile and advertising is unnecessary. Who will buy from you here in EPZ?
I have uploaded a mod. to demonstrate this.

Frank

Hi Frank, thanks for the Mod and suggestions. I will take them on board and learn from them.
Just a few points though. My profile says beginner as I bought my 1st camera in January this year and posted my 1st image on here in April. Not sure at what point does someone stop being a beginner?
Also regarding me advertising on my image. I was unaware it was easy to remove a watermark without degrading the quality of the image , also it is not there to advertise for sale as I wouldn't be so presumptious to think another photographer would want to buy my images. It was put there to copyright the image as i have seen posts from other people that have had images copied by some unscrupulous persons. However if it is that easy to remove then maybe there is no point to having it there i guess.
Regards,
Tony.

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AR_Photography
27 Sep 2011 - 11:41 AM


Quote: I can't see much wrong with the composition here and the noise isn't too much of a problem. I imagine that the little that there is could be dealt withnquite easily with software.
Phil's mod. looks good.
As for he "advertising" as Frank calls it, your logo, in this instance is perhaps a bit big but the choice of whether or not to include one is entirely yours. Some people here don't like them and will always tell you to remove them. Others, like myself, can live with them, provided they aren't too unsightly.
Any genuine, blatant advertising will be picked up by the team and they'l ask you not to do it but I don't think that that's the case here. Perhaps just make it a bit smaller.
Overall, a pretty good sdhot.

Bren.

Thanks for the advice Bren

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