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Another from the series of drop photos, this one include all the ripples.

Will post an explanation of setup in comments rather than here. No pics at the moment as I didn't have a charged battery for the D70 - oops

Camera:Nikon D2X Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:105mm
Title:Drip
Username:csurry csurry
Uploaded:5 Oct 2005 - 6:14 AM
Tags:Flash / lighting
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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 6:15 AM

Explanation as sent to an ePZ member who emailed me, so it may not read quite right as posted, but I'm working away from home - again!

1) A small fish tank. Filled almost to the top with water. This still left a problem of reflections and background. I solved this by using a piece of white plastic like perspex cut to size and bent and slotted into the bottom of the tank creating a curve (thus allowing the light to form a natural gradient) and secured with two crocodile clips.

2) Using a macro lens or something allowing close focus the lens was set up such that it was approx 4-8 ins above the water level and approx 12ins away. Mount the camera on a tripod.

3) The secret to the reflection I found was in lighting from behind the setup, so through the plastic. As said this created a natural gradient in the light. This needs an off-shoe cord. Alternatively I suppose it would work with some rear lighting such as a lamp and on-camera flash just to freeze movement.

4) Getting the flash duration to be short enough - I did quite a bit of reading up on the internet and found a few tricks mentioned to get faster flash output. One use the strobe facility and set for one pulse at say 1/32 or 1/64. (This will make sense if you have a flash capable of strobe - mine is a Nikon SB-800). Another trick I am yet to try is to use a peice of white card folded so that some light is immediately reflected back on to the sensor of the flashgun. Apparently this will fool it into thinking there was more light and cutting out the duration even quicker (yet to try this to see if it is true).

5) Extreme patience to drop the water (I use a pipette from a chemists) and try to trigger the shutter using a remote release.

6) The blue colour is introduced using the WB setting of flourescent, though it could be added later (or changed) in Photoshop or similar.

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Mike Gray
Mike Gray  10382 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 6:18 AM

I allways wondered how you did this.
Regards
Mike

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eos3
eos3  1041 forum posts Wales
5 Oct 2005 - 6:19 AM

Stunning shot. Love it.

Phil

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jason_e e2 Member 9jason_e vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 6:23 AM

Nice work, it also sounds like hard work.Click

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TeresaH
TeresaH  91116 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 6:23 AM

One of the best I've seen.

Teresa

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xanda  10244 forum posts United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 6:24 AM

It is, truly, stunning. That smooth blue is to die for. Click.

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Marco_Polo
5 Oct 2005 - 6:31 AM

Great photo!!!!!! and thanx for the explanation really helpful.

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 6:33 AM

There's probably a much more simple way, but I like to over-complicate things Wink)

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PatrickSmith
5 Oct 2005 - 6:34 AM

Another good one. And thanks for posting the explanation. I will have to try this sometime.
Patrick

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ian_w
ian_w  9 United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 6:48 AM

Excellent shot.

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angej
angej  9477 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 6:49 AM

Superb... excellent detail and sharpness enhanced by the blue tones
Ange

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Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318461 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 7:10 AM

Perfect

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U4eA
U4eA  10475 forum posts England
5 Oct 2005 - 7:25 AM

Classic example of the 'genre'..love the blue hue.

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mikears
mikears  1086 forum posts Canada
5 Oct 2005 - 7:35 AM

Fantastic work and explanation Cheryl - does sound like something you can even attempt with a Canon A80 'prosumer' compact, does it?? I guess the flash is necessary.

Mike

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iansamuel
iansamuel  11271 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 7:46 AM

stunning. love the reflection and symmetry.

ian

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angej
angej  9477 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 8:00 AM

Congrats..

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rickie
rickie  1098 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 8:01 AM

excellent shot

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andytvcams
andytvcams  1210396 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 8:40 AM

Superb.


Andy...

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 8:56 AM

Thanks everyone.

I'm sure that this is possible with less props, but this is the first time I've got a decent reflection.

Will carry on experimenting and post any simplifications as and when I discover them.

What I need now and maybe someone can suggest where I can get something is: you remember in science class there was a stand that you could use to support something like a flask over the bunsen burner. Well I need to set up something so that the drop always falls in the same place, rather than guessing and doing it by 'eye'. Any ideas?

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bzbee
bzbee  10102 forum posts United Kingdom3 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 9:09 AM

You can buy clamp stands from scientific suppliers, Cheryl. I can get details if you like. Wonderful picture - perfect in fact

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 9:15 AM

Yes please Linda, should have thought of you being a teacher an' all

Mike, sorry yes the flash is essential as it reduces the amount of elapsed time recorded to something like 1/4,000th or even 1/10,000th second, which means no blur. I know people have achieved images using the cameras on-board flash.

The theory of paper folding explained above according to the website can achieve 1/40,000th sec. That was on an older style Nikon flashgun for which they claimed using the strobe at 1/32 gave the 1/10,000th. I don't have any equipment to measure this to prove it one way or another.

If anyone is interested the camera was set to 1/60th at f/22.

Definitely have some planned improvements to the setup, yes I know I'm never satisfied Wink)

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Miles Herbert
5 Oct 2005 - 9:28 AM

...yawn... another EC Cheryl....mind you even I'll admit that this is nearly as good as "the duck"...

(well done!)

Smile

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 9:32 AM

Surely you don't mean the duck

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geoffash26
geoffash26  102506 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 9:34 AM

No reflection in the duck though Miles LOL

Good work Cheryl will have a go on a winter night when the boredom sets in
Geoff

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mikesmith
mikesmith e2 Member 1045 forum postsmikesmith vcard United Kingdom35 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 9:37 AM

Glad to be the 30th. A well deserved award for a brilliant shot

mike

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 9:38 AM

It was raining Geoff and I was gonna be out all the next day taking boring bird of prey shots, you know how tough life can be Wink)

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hebdens
hebdens  9
5 Oct 2005 - 9:41 AM

Great shot.

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Ceciliat
Ceciliat  9 Philippines
5 Oct 2005 - 9:48 AM

Brilliant!!!Congrats...

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Anthony
Anthony  135645 forum posts Scotland17 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 9:55 AM

spot on, lovely.

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mellyleth
mellyleth  10212 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 10:46 AM

Quite possibly the best one of these I've seen on this site so far. Spot on and congrats Smile

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User_Removed
5 Oct 2005 - 11:25 AM

superb set up & capture
sten

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conrad
conrad  1010877 forum posts116 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 12:04 PM

Oh, no! Another drip errr... drop, and another EC! You must be joking!

Hmmm, apparently not. Well, allright then - congratulations! Heartfelt, you can tell, can't you... Wink

Conrad

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 12:25 PM

I know Conrad and it's getting blooming expensive now I can tell you!!!

I'm glad Kev keeps leaving the fivers in my usual place as Pete assumes that they are from me Wink)

Thanks again. I really do have some improvements in mind, but as Conrad is obviously bored already then back to the birds of prey for a couple of days.

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martin.w e2 Member 12353 forum postsmartin.w vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 1:45 PM

Can't fault it, simply excellent.

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Glamrox  10304 forum posts United Kingdom
5 Oct 2005 - 2:56 PM

Lovely shot, and nice to see such a full explanation of the set up. Thanks for sharing both with us

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mattberry
mattberry  10259 forum posts England14 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 2:57 PM

Excellent quality but these water drop shots do send me to sleep it has to be said. Each to their own though. Sorry for making what could be deemed a negative comment, I realise that kind of behaviour is frowned upon.

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xinia
xinia  954 forum posts
5 Oct 2005 - 3:33 PM

excellent!

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mattmatic
mattmatic  10598 forum posts
5 Oct 2005 - 9:10 PM

Sublime quality to this, and the ripples are fab - you can still sense the movement. Very cool.
Well done on the EC!
Matt

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annaliese  10421 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
5 Oct 2005 - 11:53 PM

Missed this one yesterday, congrats on the EC, and thanks for a detailed explanation Smile

annaliesa

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answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012610 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2005 - 12:03 AM

A rightly deserved EC, technically perfect and a credit to your skill. K.

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2005 - 12:05 AM

S'ok Matt, I'm not particularly into butterfly photographs but it doesn't stop me appreciating a good example of the genre.

Thanks all, no problems with sharing the technique I used. If I fnd something easier I'll share that as well.

That's a late comment K as you were the first to click.

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answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012610 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2005 - 12:12 AM

Sorry Cheryl, had a bit of a day yesterday, all rectified now I hope Smile

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jasonewell  1034 forum posts United Kingdom
6 Oct 2005 - 4:20 AM

I agree with Pete. Perfect Cheryl.
Jason.

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julesm  101698 forum posts United Kingdom7 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2005 - 4:23 AM

The best example of this I have seen, well done indeed.

Jules

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Willyjeen
Willyjeen  9
6 Oct 2005 - 9:39 AM

Speechless.

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Paddy  12254 forum posts England8 Constructive Critique Points
7 Oct 2005 - 3:36 AM

just the best .. beautiful and more Smile)P

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sugarbird  10223 forum posts South Africa
7 Oct 2005 - 7:38 PM

Outstanding!!!

Jill

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csurry
csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2005 - 12:59 AM

Thanks again. Much appreciate people taking time to comment and I know I am particularly bad as an anonymous clicker.

Paddy nice to see you back again.

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Coleslaw e2 Member 913403 forum postsColeslaw vcard Wales28 Constructive Critique Points
9 Oct 2005 - 1:48 AM

Thanks for the description. Might try it someday.
This is perfect.....well, to me anyway

Cole

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Dandillion
9 Oct 2005 - 9:32 AM

I too, have never seen a drop done like this before. It's beautiful in how it imparts a sense of calm as you look at it.

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StevieH
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10 Oct 2005 - 2:15 AM

I did a similar thing (the drops) whilst at college, only no where near as beautifully lit as this, what we did was to trigger the flash using the drip. We used a light beam that when the drip passed through triggered a variable electronic delay, using a slow shutter we shot a sequence of shots slightly adjusting the delay as we went along. this was on 35mm film so we didn't quite know what we had until we developed it! Anyway really beautiful work.

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csurry  129230 forum posts92 Constructive Critique Points
12 Oct 2005 - 1:01 PM

Thanks Cole, Danielle and Steve.

Steve, Tandy used to do a sound trigger for a tenner that could be made to work for the drip shots (and bursting balloons) but they don't seem to do it anymore. Seems you can still buy the kit in the US, probably some stupid health and safety regulation.

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jimbocarroll
14 Oct 2005 - 1:01 AM

Brilliant pic, never gets boring!

Jamie

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old timer  1055 forum posts Scotland1 Constructive Critique Points
14 Oct 2005 - 9:38 PM

How did I miss this?!! One of the best of these I've ever seen!
Jim

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Mari
Mari  111825 forum posts Wales
16 Oct 2005 - 10:37 AM

Wow!!!!

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Jasbe  9116 forum posts England
19 Oct 2005 - 10:50 AM

nice shot, I've been having a go at these but not much luck, any tips?
Cheers : ) Jason

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Lou41
Lou41  9139 forum posts United Kingdom
29 Oct 2005 - 7:58 AM

Staggeringly good shot , beautiful deep colour.

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StevenPrice
24 Dec 2005 - 5:55 AM

didnt see this one until someone pointed it out Cheryl but i have had a go at the same sort of shot. not as good as yours but i have tried, it made a nice change to attempt a different technique.

Steve

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Museman  8 Wales
22 Jun 2006 - 8:02 PM

Superb pic Cheryl and interesting reading your technique.
Michael

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Hazard
Hazard  111192 forum posts United Kingdom
28 Oct 2006 - 10:18 AM

love it

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HowardA
HowardA  7231 forum posts
24 Jul 2007 - 2:49 PM

Wonderful image. Those ripples breaking the smooth surface are perfect. Great colour too.
Howard

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bfgstew  8668 forum posts England105 Constructive Critique Points
24 May 2009 - 9:15 PM

Certainly much much sharper and cleaner.
I must try harder.........Sounds like my old school reports.
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