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Thanks again to everybody who comment yesterday it was great to get some honest opinions Smile

This is earlier the same evening taken in some quite harsh but really beautiful light. I don't often take this sort of shot but am intending to do a lot more this summer so would welcome some honest & frank critiques. I guess realistically this is all about the light and glorious summer colours, does it work?

LARGE might be wirth a peak.

Cheers and I hope you enjoyed looking at the image Smile
Den

Camera:Canon EOS 5D MkII
Lens:24-70mm 2.8 L
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Bloomin Heather...
Username:Dennis_Bromage Dennis_Bromage
Uploaded:30 Jul 2010 - 1:57 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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Paul_R
Paul_R  5 England2 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jul 2010 - 2:10 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Works for me, with the possible exception of the white buildings in the middle left of the image. through on a larger image they certainly add to the composition.
Light looks good, wonder if a good polarizer would of helped saturate the summer colours and reduced reflections on foliage.....
Good to see images taken in this light.
Paul

Last Modified By Paul_R at 30 Jul 2010 - 2:39 PM

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 9710 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2671 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jul 2010 - 2:30 PM

An attractive image Dennis. The light is not as subtle as yesterdays shot, but the exposure is well controlled and the bright light paints the tops of the ground cover nicely.

Landscape photography is not my forte Dennis, so Im coming at this from perhaps a different perspective. In you portfolio pic I see you using a filter, and wonder if the shy looks better stopped down a little more, so its tonally in a similar range to the foreground.

Theres a shadow bottom right that might be the photographer (not likely, but looks like a person to me) so I would crop to remove part of this, and also place the horizon a little lower.

the large version is worth a look, and I think the view of the distant buildings adds to this rather than detract.

Ive stopped down the sky and cropped the bottom in my mod.

Hope this is helpful,


regards


Willie

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Dennis_Bromage
30 Jul 2010 - 2:31 PM

Thanks Paul. I don't think a polarizer would have done much as I was shooting almost directly into the sun. I had to actually stand in front of the camera and use my hand to cast a shadow over the front element or I got really bad flare. I think you're spot on though I have under done the saturation. I've just had another look in Photoshop and it does definitely benefit from a boost of 10-15%. Thanks for pointing out what should have been obvious Smile

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Dennis_Bromage
30 Jul 2010 - 2:38 PM

I hadn't noticed the shadow but it's definitely nothing to do with me as the sun was just out of frame to the left. Just a hollow in the heather and bilberries I guess Smile

I've been toying with a crop all afternoon and I think you could well be right, trimming a bit off the bottom might help but I'm still not 100% sure as I like the light on that foreground patch of bilberries to???

Interesting comment about the sky. I do use grads in 100% of my shots but was very careful not to make the sky too dark as it was very bright and I wanted the white clouds to be white if that makes sense? Would be interested to know what other people think on this???

Last Modified By Dennis_Bromage at 30 Jul 2010 - 2:45 PM

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Ian-Munro  6200 forum posts Wales15 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jul 2010 - 4:59 PM

I quite like Pauls mod mate. I have been guilty of over gradding skies in the past and its cost me images so this works well for me Den. The reality is that its summer and light is gonna be more harsh but that shouldn't detract from what we see and enjoy. The shadow area is not a problem for me and I wouldn't have noticed it.

To me it looks like an image that was exactly like that on the day, and you have done it well.

Its a plus for me.

Ian

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Eli_Pascall-Willis

This for me Den is a perfectly balanced image. The fact that that Roseberry topping is in shadow supports the combination of shadow and light in the foreground, making it appear very natural.
I do like the slight boost in Pauls Mod.

For me your careful graduation of the sky is exactly right, any darker and the balance of shadowed hill and sky would be lost.

Eli

Last Modified By Eli_Pascall-Willis at 30 Jul 2010 - 5:42 PM

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61581 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom572 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jul 2010 - 7:24 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

The exposure is beautifully handled and i guess there is a fair difference top to bottom of id say at least 0.9 or even 0.9 plus 0.6.
the main thing is its not over balanced and murky like i always seem to manage. (i blame the specs and the rear screen.) the sky looks quite right to me. the light on the foreground is beautiful and the colour of the heather looks bang on and even that takes some getting right.

compositionally im a bit confused. unlike yesterday where you had a foreground strongly leading into the picture, this is a picture of a foreground that happens to have an interesting mound behind it .

i can see the intentional diagonal return edge of frame which links the fg to mid distance but its still fairly tenuous.

to me and its only my opinion, the fore and rear are not really linked. the topping hill feels too small in the frame to be the dominant overpowering feature, and the foreground lovely that it is is not truly a subject in itself so that is not the dominant feature either, i think they work fine and they go together,- and the final result is quite pleasant but i feel its not truly one nor the other.

sorry thats probably not what you expect to hear but its just my opinion.
technically beautiful and ok to look at but a long way off the best that is around from this area IMO

regards
Phil

Last Modified By NEWMANP at 30 Jul 2010 - 7:26 PM

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Dennis_Bromage
30 Jul 2010 - 8:03 PM

Phil why are you apologising? I asked for honest and frank critiques didn't I? Smile

I think you are dead right. There is little or nothing linking the fore and backgrounds. I spent a lot of time searching out the location and composition for the previous image. With this one I think I just saw the beautiful light and went for it without giving the composition as much thought as maybe I should.

I had no illusions about it being the best of anything but if it's pleasant to look at I'm fairly happy with that, for now! Wink

Last Modified By Dennis_Bromage at 30 Jul 2010 - 8:05 PM

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61581 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom572 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jul 2010 - 8:40 PM

because i dont want you to think i am anything but honest in my comments, i respect your ability in terms of ability and vision and therefore its less easy to pass negative comment. what i want to do is make you aware how i see it without being patronising. it would be the same with any of the senior respected members.

the temptation with senior members is to pat backs and its much easier of course not to pass comment at all but thats not like me to hide.
Phil

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Dennis_Bromage
30 Jul 2010 - 9:41 PM

Thanks Phil. You don't need to worry about being honest with me but I can understand why you are cautious as I've had a few prickly responses too.

I'm loving the critique gallery. One of the problems I have with voting systems is that people feel that to comment they have to vote so they aren't inclined to offer negative comments. In here the votes are removed so people seam more comfortable being honest Smile

I guess I'm comfortable about my own ability so don't need votes or pats on the back. I would rather have a couple of honest constructive comments than 50 votes any day...

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Steve-T
Steve-T  750 forum posts England66 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jul 2010 - 11:15 AM

I much prefer this shot to the previous upload. The composition is a lot easier on the eye although I do take on Phil's point above. The difference for me is the clear line of sight through the image. However, the real interest for me is the light and shade around the hill. Increasingly I am starting to look for more long lens landscapes as an alternative to "wide" angle. There looks a few possibilities from this vantage point Wink Steve.

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adamburton  10627 forum posts United Kingdom11 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 4:09 PM

Hi Den, This is an absolutely beautiful shot in my opinion. I really like Pauls Mod, it just gives the image an added richness. I have no problem at all with the foreground, I think it is full of interest and leads into the background beautifully.

Adam.

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