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Saw this fantastic sky and used the viaduct to be the forgroud

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 500D
Lens:EF-S18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:26 Sep 2012 - 3:23 PM
Focal Length:50mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.7
Aperture:f/11.0
Shutter Speed:1/400sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Ribblehead Viaduct
Username:ErictheViking ErictheViking
Uploaded:11 Nov 2012 - 10:49 PM
Tags:Black & white, Bridge, Trains, West yorkshire
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widtink
widtink  2406 forum posts Scotland2 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 12:59 AM

crackin image Eric , the viaduct has a beautiful sweeping line and the sky is as you say fantastic Smile good work

Rod

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41207 forum posts United Kingdom198 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 1:08 AM

I'm only seeing this on my phone, but it looks like the sky's an addition. It doesn't look like it "goes" with the viaduct. The lighting looks different.
The viaduct is incidental here.... It doesn't stand out from the hills behind as its all similarly toned, and if you crop it out there is little difference in the picture. It might have been better to use channel mixer to bring the viaduct out and tone the sky down a little. You need a stronger shape that has more impact on the scene to balance the exaggerated drama of the sky. I think it would also be better in colour, to contrast the dark sky against green hills.
I'd like to see the colour version.

Nick

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Focus_Man
Focus_Man  4481 forum posts United Kingdom631 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 8:28 AM

Zooming in close up one can see that the sky is imported. When this situation arises I usually apply the 'blur' brush to the dividing line as it does add another sort of blending feature. Like Nick I would love to see this in colour given what appears to be a superb sky.

I have been 'knocked' for skies that don't look quite right and what I have started to do for this kind of think is to as well as saving nice skies, I save horizon skies. ie using seascapes where the sky blends to the horizon often gives a nice self blending mode so I also save some of those as they often fit better.

Some people seem to be able to discern the direction of the sun on clouds and I often can't and so get the wrong one inserted, worthwhile looking out for.

That viaduct on its own could make a nice picture, here I find it a little too low within the frame, a bit higher would, I feel, balance better.

Frank

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ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 9:43 AM

Interesting comments from you both. The sky is not imported that's the sky as it was, however as an experiment to lighten the surrounding dark land area as the original raw file was corrupted and not recoverable, when transferring to my main computer. I used a solarising technique to lighten the moorland, this left the bridge in negative so I used layers to restore the bridge from the original black and white. Ultimately this is a sky picture and I wanted more than the hilltops as a foreground.

Eric

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10868 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2869 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 4:03 PM

I think its a pity you had file problems, - looks like potentially a great image. Its the technique used that makes it appear to be a composite image, as if either the sky, or the foreground come from different shots Theres a very hard edge along the hilltops, which is whats pointing towards composite. If this line want so sharp it would appear more realistic.



Willie

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom854 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 8:20 PM

This is a fine image and an imaginative conversion bordering on UV. I like it. One thing missing, a steamer and train billowing steam clouds. Did you not have one with you?

Paul

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ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 10:36 PM


Quote: This is a fine image and an imaginative conversion bordering on UV. I like it. One thing missing, a steamer and train billowing steam clouds. Did you not have one with you?

Sorry Paul just couldn't get them in the camera bag that day only thing on offer was an old diesel loc which was best left out of the shot

Eric
Paul

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ErictheViking
ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 10:54 PM

I have uploaded 2 modifications - the much requested colour version and a true black and white conversion

Eric Smile

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
13 Nov 2012 - 9:12 AM

In my view either the colour or the true BW are far better photographs. The first one posted had little tonal division between the sky and the hills. This makes it a confusing picture to view. Also not believable as seen from some of the comments.
As Paul said a steam train crossing would be excellent. They are run on certain occasions the dates of which are published.
Ian

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ErictheViking
ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
13 Nov 2012 - 9:30 AM

Thanks for your thoughts Ian, I agree and since the original shot was created my skill in processing the images has improved. As for the train none running at the times I could get to the viaduct, but it would finish it off really nicely

Eric

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silverfoxey
10 Apr 2013 - 4:56 PM

Hi Erik , just spotted this one and interesting regarding the other comments. I like the original colour shot and prefer the mod B/W as the commented B/W sky looks a tad on the dark side for me. My grab shot is somewhat different in my portfolio, but a great structure worth taking. Like you, no train in sight! James.

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