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Taken a while back and uploaded but recieved hardly anything for it whilst every one i know who seen it (non epzers) really liked it above all my other work.

For this reason i have added it for Crit in the hope to find out why?

Please tell me it's been bugging me for ages!

Title:Molly
Username:GaZn GaZn
Uploaded:22 Aug 2007 - 1:42 PM
Camera:Nikon D200 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:Nikon 18 - 70
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Tags:Digitally manipulated, Pets / captive animals
Votes:Voting Disabled
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Carabosse
Carabosse (e2 Member)
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35417 forum postsCarabosse vcard England268 Constructive Critique Points
22 Aug 2007 - 2:33 PM
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Having looked at your folio, Gareth, this does seem to be rather different from your usual stuff.

From the thumbnail I couldn't actually be too sure what the subject was! I suspect many people just gave the thumbnail a glance and moved on without opening it.

A mid-coloured background (e.g dark grey) may have helped here.

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Brilane
Brilane (e2 Member)
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Brilane vcard Wales12 Constructive Critique Points
22 Aug 2007 - 2:43 PM
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I agree with the above, it took me a while, and only by looking at large. to recognise the subject. All it needs is a lighter bg, to show the outline of the black fur of Molly.
Otherwise it is a good exposure.
Brian

GaZn
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175 forum posts Wales
22 Aug 2007 - 2:44 PM
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Thank you Carabosse!
It actually had 31 Views and only 2 comments which is what made me wonder. This time around i'm already up to 25 views and only your comment.
Is it just a rubbish pic? thats all i'm after as i was trying something different.
Cheers

GaZn
5
175 forum posts Wales
22 Aug 2007 - 3:26 PM
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Thank you Briane

imander
22 Aug 2007 - 3:31 PM
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beautiful cat and does deserve more...well done
ian

GaZn
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175 forum posts Wales
22 Aug 2007 - 3:56 PM
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Cheers Ian! Any suggestions?

13snaphappy
13snaphappy (Junior Member)
5
England
22 Aug 2007 - 5:04 PM
0

No - it's not a rubbish picture, GaZn. However, you have really challenged yourself with the subject/lighting. All is not lost, though, as you've shot in RAW - which is absolutely brilliant; a kind of 'Get Out of Jail Free' card! Do you use PhotoShop? If so - import the image into your RAW converter programme and manipulate it so you get detail in the white parts of the cat. Click on Open and import it into PS. Now repeat the process - but this time, adjust the exposure so you get textural detail in the black parts of the cat. Don't worry if you blow the highlights. When you're happy, open in PS. You will now have two images open. Click on the Move tool, then while holding down the Shift key, drag one image on top of the other. Close the one you've just dragged across. You now have one image showing on screen. I hope you use Layers? Bring up Layers (Windows>Layers) - and you will see your two images on two different layers. Put a Layers Mask on the top one (email me and I will go into more detail if you're unsure how). Now you can "paint" in detail where you want it. Again, rather than go into this here - I will explain more if you need it in an email. Hope this helps?

Last Modified By Dave at 22 Aug 2007 - 5:09 PM
PeteyG
5
United Kingdom
23 Aug 2007 - 10:52 AM
0

I suspect that this looks a lot nicer as a print. Its very difficult to make out shades of grey (or black for that matter) on a monitor screen, especially LCD - which is waht most people use nowadays.
I quite like it!

John_Frid
John_Frid (e2 Member)
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500 forum postsJohn_Frid vcard United Kingdom54 Constructive Critique Points
23 Aug 2007 - 2:14 PM
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It certainly isn't a rubbish picture, but it is a challenging image for collecting votes or comments.

The thumbnail isn't strong enough to get many views (i would have probably passed it by in the normal gallery). Once I opened it I liked it, but not enough to vote (something has to appeal to me quite a lot to get a vote). As for commenting, well I just don't have anything particularly helpful to say, so would probably chose to say nothing.

Sorry I can't help you, buty maybe it helps you understand why people view but then don't vote or comment.

paulbroad
23 Aug 2007 - 3:17 PM
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Rubbish it is not - far too dark it is. One problem with criticism sections such as this is that people seem to say nothing at all unless the shot is very good. The whole idea is to gather views as to why there may be problems and your comments show you realise that, but are not getting the 'service' - at least initially.

You already have the answer from later comments - the subject is fine but under exposed, and the very fact that you shot in RAW means you have not used the conversion software well.

This is basically under exposed - easily corrected in RAW files within reason. Don't let the magazines and pundits fool you that you MUST shoot in RAW. If you don't like the conversion process, or find it boring - shoot in best quality JPEG.

I am reasonably experienced, but only switch to RAW if I am expecting exposure problems from certain subjects. Almost all of the time you will find it VERY DIFFICULT INDEED to differentiate between a correctly processed RAW file and a best quality JPEG.

Honest!

Paul

GaZn
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175 forum posts Wales
23 Aug 2007 - 5:34 PM
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Thank you Everyone!
GaZ

Tooth
Tooth (Critique Team)
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5514 forum postsTooth vcard Ireland218 Constructive Critique Points
27 Aug 2007 - 10:57 PM
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You have the white fur very well exposed and this maybe is the key to the problem - a camera can only take one exposure at a time, and in a very black and white case like this, if it exposes properly for the white bits (as here) then you're bound to get the dark bits blacked out. If it was exposed more to bring out detail in the shadow areas, then the highlights (white fur) would have been blown out to white. In a landscape or a still sublect there is a way round this by taking two different exposures, one for the light areas and one for the dark, then blending the two together selectively to get the best of both. In a wriggly moving subject such as this that might not be quite possible, but this is where RAW comes in useful. Take the RAW file and make two new files out of it, one with exposure increased to maximise detail in the black fur, and the other with exposure decreased to maximise detail in the white fur. then put one as a layer over the other and selectively erase away to get the best exposed bits out of each area. painstaking to do properlyand subtly, but may be worth it

Stephen

MediumSizeUnavailable
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1464 forum postsMediumSizeUnavailable vcard Belgium44 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2007 - 6:18 PM
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Like Pete said, it's almost like an abstract shot, and in that sense I like it a lot

Must admit that it was pure curiosity which made me open the thumbnail... as someone else has said. And, as already said, black and white are very difficult to get balanced. The black fur is slightly too dark to be able to tell where the cat 'is'. 'Shadows/highlights' in photoshop could be a help, especially as the expert thinks the back leg a little 'burnt'. (Try lowering the strength of that next time) You can lessen the shadows and also the highlights with that tool. Otherwise... down to putting a little reflected light towards the back and standing a little further away with the camera flash?

Last Modified By angelamary at 5 Feb 2008 - 1:25 PM
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