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A late evening view up one of the lesser visited Lakeland waters.

A typical exposure time for me of 1/8th of a second, I took the identical scene with the 10 stop filter and made a 2 minute and 15 second exposure.

I wonder what your thoughts are between the more traditional image and Big Stopper image.

The 2 minute exposure in V2

Title:Crummock water
Username:JohnParminter JohnParminter
Uploaded:2 Aug 2010 - 9:23 AM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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PaulHolloway
PaulHolloway e2 Member 7PaulHolloway vcard Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 9:58 AM

Interesting comparison John. I much prefer the look of the 'normal exposure' - more definition and colour variation in the clouds and their reflection.

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dathersmith
dathersmith e2 Member 7549 forum postsdathersmith vcard England12 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 10:01 AM

A good comparrison John and I'm with Paul on this one, prefer the 'normal' exposure here although the 10 stopper does have its place and I do intend getting one sometime.

Darren.

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CathR
CathR  7139 forum posts United Kingdom563 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 10:10 AM

Ah ha, I wondered whether a Big Stopper had been used here, before I looked at your text. Perhaps I am not the right person to give an unbiased view because I am a Big Stopper fan. I have just got my own after a longish wait and I am itching to get out and get going with it.

So perhaps no surprise that I do prefer V2. I think it is because in smoothing out the clouds it simplifies the shot, particularly the cloud reflections in the water. In V1 the cloud reflections are just a little too much perhaps, so the scene looks just that little bit too busy. The light is slightly better though in V1 - I like how the tops of the hills in the far distance are lit up, also the tops of the trees to the right. V2 may be slightly underexposed? I guess it is difficult to work out the timings for a Big Stopper exposure and there is an element of trial and error.

Perhaps also the clouds were not at their best for the Big Stopper to work. The large mass to the left looks practically the same in both shots. I would imagine it works best where you have more broken cloud.

Having said all that I don't want to appear too critical. I think both shots are very high quality.

Best wishes

Catherine

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Imagephotographics

Beautiful shot - V1 for me !

Chris

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woodrow
woodrow  7153 forum posts Scotland
2 Aug 2010 - 10:28 AM

Hello John

a good comparison here and perhaps important given the rise in popularity of the 'Big Stopper'; for me the natural image v1 is the winner. exceptional clarity and a mirror image with the reflection in the still water

perhaps v2 with the stopper would be a worthwhile b+w conversion? i think the stopper has its place and i confess to having one on order for seascapes

good work as ever John

regards

Paul

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ripleysalien
2 Aug 2010 - 10:32 AM

I agree regarding both shots being very good.
The 10 stopper shot is really nice and has a very different feel to it, but V1 for me has a crispness or is it clarity? anyway V1 for me.

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Morgs
Morgs  6 Wales62 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 10:42 AM

V1 for me which is unusual as I love the long exposures. The light catching the trees on the right in V1 seems to balance the shot. This light is lost in V2 and as a result looks a little underexposed. Two beautiful shots though!

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JohnParminter
2 Aug 2010 - 10:52 AM

Cheers all, I think I prefer the normal shot if only because it isn't contentious exposure-wise. It probably has a bit more impact as well with the sharper clouds and more evenly distributed light perhaps. V2 suffered slightly as the Sun was just about dipping too low on the right and I was loosing it in that area.

Cheers all,
JP

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Vpics
Vpics  4 Wales6 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 10:55 AM

Hi John!!
Thought i recognised the photo Smile
It's VI for me, i like the effect of the ND filter on the clouds and their reflection in V2 but i prefer the overall sharpness of the image in V1 which seems to give it a bit more bite and dare i say it....... more impact Smile
Both up to your usual very high standard though!!

Regards
Vic.

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JohnParminter
2 Aug 2010 - 11:05 AM

I tend to agree with you Vic.
JP

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TONKSPHOTO
2 Aug 2010 - 11:49 AM

Loverly image,lighting just right. JT

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Brewster
Brewster  9 Scotland4 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 11:54 AM

I think you have admitted yourself that V1 has to be the winner. The composition is far more tonaly balanced due to the bright cloud on the RHS and its reflection, which balance nicely the sunlit hillside on the left. This is lost in the long exposure due to light levels and the blurring of the clouds and reflections.

Great shot.

Bruce

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MarkBroughton

I think both images are beautiful landscapes which you were gifted with the light and calm waters. I think my preference is for V1, but V2 is worthy of its own airing...and I think V1 deserves a GE award, as the light is slightly better imho.

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JohnParminter

Cheers Mark, much appreciated. I am inclined towards V1 as well.

JP

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Angi_Wallace
Angi_Wallace e2 Member 6172 forum postsAngi_Wallace vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 2:07 PM

Both very beautiful images, I'm having great difficulty choosing which I prefer as I like them both for different reasons. Great to see them together for comparisson though.
Sorry no CC, I'm not really qualified in that area Wink
Angi

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rontear
rontear e2 Member 11rontear vcard England4 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 2:21 PM

Prefer the natural image, nature has a way with cloudscapes that you have captured in V1 that is reflected in the water to add depth to the image. Big stoppers have their use in other directions John. Ron.

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tmann
tmann  9 United States2 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 2:30 PM

Both work for me, got to love how much the sky will change a photo stunning work!

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Niknut
Niknut e2 Member 4557 forum postsNiknut vcard United Kingdom60 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 4:54 PM

The light in V1 sways it for me, a gorgeous shot of Crummock with perfect reflections...nice work ! I couldn't resist a slight mod, to add a little 'something' to the scene, hope you don't mind ?

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MartinAgius
2 Aug 2010 - 5:16 PM

Good pic

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pmorgan
pmorgan  7217 forum posts England13 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 6:39 PM

Cant decide John - print them both! Wink

Rgds
Paul

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MalcolmS
MalcolmS e2 Member 91067 forum postsMalcolmS vcard England13 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 7:03 PM

V1 for me John, the clouds in V2 are just a little too unnatural

Malcolm

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User_Removed
2 Aug 2010 - 7:34 PM

Hello John, As I'm a complete novice my view is completely the other side. Looked hard and I enjoy both images for different reasons but, for me v2 has impact and draws me into the image, while v2 is busy and a lovely record of the day.

Then I read all the above, just to show I know nothing Smile

Always enjoy your work
Dave

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JohnParminter
2 Aug 2010 - 10:07 PM

Your opinion is just as valid Dave, there are no right and wrongs just opinions.

Cheers all
JP

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NEWMANP
NEWMANP e2 Member 61583 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2010 - 10:31 PM

v1 for me, the lighting is beautful v2 is perhaps more arty and fashionable but the cloud formations are strong and interesting and the water suitable reflective and yet still retaining the translucence and the whole composition hangs together beautifully.

i have seen wonderous things happen to skies with the 10 stoppers but here it has spread in an attractive way but not dynamic. also the light on the right side seems less effective in the longer exposure.

moving past the comparisons its a beautiful scene with stunning light and congratulations on the GE award
Phil

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James_C
James_C  536 forum posts United Kingdom56 Constructive Critique Points
3 Aug 2010 - 7:33 AM

I take everyones point about v1 over v2 and go along with it, but to me the lesson to learn from this is that if you want the eye to concentrate on the land part of the subject then v2 wins hands down, however, if you are interseted in the whole then v1. I am torn between the two so my vote is for both and particularly for your showing us the comparrison and making me think.
Thanks very much,

James

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JohnParminter

Cheers Phil and James. Good comment there James, I think I want to concentrate on the whole so V1 probably pips it.

Been an interesting exercise.
JP

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Porthos
Porthos  4 Northern Ireland1 Constructive Critique Points
3 Aug 2010 - 10:37 AM

Lovely image. I prefer the clarity in the traditional V1 image.....Derek

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Nigel_95
Nigel_95 e2 Member 8260 forum postsNigel_95 vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
3 Aug 2010 - 10:02 PM

No contest, V1 for me. Wonderful light and colours.

Nigel

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oll1e
oll1e e2 Member 757 forum postsoll1e vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
5 Aug 2010 - 3:23 AM

Hi John, ok v1 is excellent but v2 has lots of quality as well ,i think though v1 just edges it for clarity and better light,it seems v2 has rendered the water more flatter.I would print both though .It reminds me of an image my ole mate Neil Higgins took and thats a good thing.(just wish he'd pick up a camera again)
Smile

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Dennis_Bromage

Definitely V1 for me. I've had a 10 stopper for a couple of years and I do like them but for me they're best employed when the light is ordinary or worse, when they give the opportunity to create something out of nothing so to speak. When the light's as good as this I couldn't contemplate spoil things with a long exposure. Obviously they're very fashionable right now but I personally think they're just a fad and in a year or two V2 will look dated were as V1 is pure quality and I have no doubt at all that it will stand the test of time and look as good in 2 or even 10 years as it does now Smile

Hope that didn't sound too opinionated?
Den

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JohnParminter

Nope Den, I quite agree with you on this particular image. I think there is a case more for the 10 stopper in less favourable conditions to try and eek something out.

Cheers
JP

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Nikonguy
Nikonguy  5 United Kingdom
8 Aug 2010 - 10:15 PM

Fabulous colours in the first shot. I think the ten stopper would work much better with more movement in the water to give that dreamlike misty effect. Great composition.

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arive
arive  5 United Kingdom
28 Sep 2010 - 12:49 PM

comparing this pictures - I prefer the first one - it`s more saturated.. fabulous colors , a play of light is visible..more details.. , but watching them separately both are top-rate ones.. double 5 for both from me

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