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A mudlark is someone who scavenges in river mud for items of value, a term used especially to describe those who scavenged this way in London during the late 18th and 19th centuries.

Back to Deptford Creek again.

v1 is looking up the creek under the bridge of the Docklands Light Railway
v2 - part of the creek wall
v3 - all the detritus that remains in the creek. They tried to clean up a stretch of the creek and removed hundreds of
shopping trolleys amongst all the other junk but found that the actually wildlife decreased. The little critters at
the bottom of the food chain were able to hide from their predators in all this rubbish. Hence they left all the
rest of the rubbish alone.

Dave

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:EF-S15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:14 Jul 2013 - 10:29 AM
Focal Length:15mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/3.5
Aperture:f/11.0
Shutter Speed:1/500sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
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Title:A Mud Lark..
Username:WhiteRose1 WhiteRose1
Uploaded:30 Jul 2013 - 6:54 AM
Tags:London, Mud walk, Photo journalism, Ravensbourne, Rubbish, Thames
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Hermanus
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:04 AM

Excellent photos Dave - although v3 is not a pretty sight ! Smile

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ColleenA
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:05 AM

Morning Dave...just love V1....superb composition and such an unusual pov, did you have to throw your shoes away afterwards...V2 has amazing textures and V3 sums up the decay...excellent photography

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nonur
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:07 AM

Interesting info, suggestive title, quality works, Dave. V1 and V2 understandably are my favourites. I like the POV and compo of the first, the compo, colours and textures of the second is excellent.

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whatriveristhis
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:12 AM

Really like V2, Dave.
V1 looks very dull on my screen....?

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digital_boi
30 Jul 2013 - 7:22 AM

it looks a tad dull on my screen as well Dave but I think it suits the capture and still like it so its V1 for me I tone mapped it its come out well liked the composition a lot

have a good day

G

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WhiteRose1
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:50 AM


Quote: Really like V2, Dave.
V1 looks very dull on my screen....?


Quote: It looks a tad dull on my screen as well Dave but I think it suits the capture and still like it so its V1 for me I tone mapped it its come out well liked the composition a lot

have a good day

Cheers guys, I was worried it looked a little 'HDR' on my monitor. I had to push quite a bit of light back into the shadow areas. I shall have a play and put up another version maybe.

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30 Jul 2013 - 7:51 AM

SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

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woolybill1
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30 Jul 2013 - 8:01 AM

Smashing composition in V1, the overall appearance dramatically improved by the fiddling in V4.
Must admit that I rather like the strict order of V2!
Another good reportage set.
Regards
Bill

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30 Jul 2013 - 8:31 AM

A fascinating set in every way: I love the composition of V 1 with the view along the creek under the Light Railway line.
The wall of the creek alone makes for a great subject in content, tones, and textures, and the accumulated detritus in V 3 is something else. Imagine making your hone amongst that lot!
Interesting too to read the comments of others, Dave.
I too noticed that V 1 was rather dull on my screen and I see you have posted V 4 in response, although on my Mac it has gone in the other direction and appears slightly over-exposed.........just one of the problems of different monitors and how they are set up for the individual.
Ronnie.

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30 Jul 2013 - 8:32 AM

V4 covers precisely what I was going to suggest, so that saves me the time... Smile
Good set, building a picture. There's someone's Brave New World passing over a Grotty Old World.
I like the thought that shopping trolleys might serve some environmental purpose, but don't spread the word around too far...
Moira

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30 Jul 2013 - 8:34 AM

great photo journalism....

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30 Jul 2013 - 8:37 AM

A fine combination of beauty and ugly. --- And you have that"something" with the bridges, Dave. Smile ---- Jukka.

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Caziwinkles
30 Jul 2013 - 8:42 AM

Fascinating write up with superb images Dave.
V1 now as V4 looks fab on my screen now - well worth the extra mod. Smile

Carol

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:04 AM

Excellent set, great composition on 1 and 4, I prefer the processing on 4. V2 is also an excellent image.
Nigel

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:35 AM

Like the POV Dave, needs a little more contrast for me. V4 does just that!! V2 very individual.
Ron.

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:36 AM

Another interesting set Dave.

Ken

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:41 AM

It must have been fascinating dredging around in all that Thames mud! I love the HDR effect and, like Ronnie, I'd like something between v1 and v4! There's no pleasing some people. And, like Bill, I really like the orderliness of v2! Can't comment on v3 - what a scruffy lot those Londoners are! WinkSmile Super images Dave and probably unique on ePZ!
Ann

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:47 AM

An excellent set of images of a rather depressing scene...it looks rather like something out of H. G. Wells! Very interesting both in content and description, thank you.
Richard

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:52 AM

A "gritty set" - interesting to know the rubbish appears to be appreciated by the local wild life - I think rats and have a shudder.
Joan.

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30 Jul 2013 - 10:39 AM

A great set of images Dave, V2 is my favorite.Smile NB I used to work for Agent Plant, Creekside, the yard used to back onto the creek.


Cliff

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30 Jul 2013 - 10:52 AM

The Mudlarks by David Lewis Paget

He crept on out of the ginnel, and
He whispered: ‘Follow me,
The tide is down in the river, so
We’ll see what we can see.
We might pick up a penny or two,
A bundle of fishing twine,
Or maybe even a sovereign, Nat,
But if we do, it’s mine!’

Young Godby, he was a Mudlark,
He was only eight or nine,
But he’d been foraging through the mud
Since 1869,
His Dad had gone with a steamer
All the way down to the Cape,
But if you looked at his mother,
You could see, he’d just escaped.

So Godby went on a daily sludge
Each time that the tide was out,
Out where the Thames receded when
His Mother began to shout,
He told me that he would show me
All the tricks to find the gilt,
Buried beneath the slimy mud
And deep down in the silt.

He wasn’t the only Mudlark there
We passed by Mary Ann,
She was covered in mud, but grinned,
She’d found a frying pan,
We traipsed out further toward the stream
That lapped beside the mud,
‘This is the place you find the stuff,
It’s mucky, but it’s good!’

I picked up a box and wiped it off,
He said, ‘Hey, that’s Japanned,
You’ll probably get a bob for that
If you take it to Wheezy Dan.’
He dug around and he found some brass
And some copper fender ware,
He said, ‘You ‘elp me carry it back,
And whatever I get, I’ll share!’

The sun was down, it was almost dusk
And the cold, so cold it hurt,
Suddenly Godby tripped and fell
His foot caught up in a skirt,
The woman lay buried in slimy mud
Her face as black as pitch,
‘Here’s one,’ he said, ‘has slung her ‘ook,
Has jumped off London Bridge!’

He said he’d seen them a lot before
So he didn’t appear upset,
‘You get what yer can,’ he said to me
As he fumbled around her neck,
He pulled off a tiny golden chain
With a locket, covered in mud,
Then fumbled around for her hands, I said,
‘I don’t really think you should!’

He took two rings from her fingers, but
The third it was on too tight,
He strained, and snapped off the finger,
Took the ring on that dreadful night,
I never went back to the river bank,
To me, the place was cursed,
For there in the locket, a tiny snap
Of her, and my Uncle Perce

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30 Jul 2013 - 10:57 AM

Brilliant set of images Dave, love them all Smile

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30 Jul 2013 - 11:07 AM

Version one for me Dave, almost an HDR feel to it.

Best Matt

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30 Jul 2013 - 11:44 AM

Interesting photo journalism an dI never knew what a mudlark was!
My pick of the set has got to be V2 - beauty amongst the chaos.
The three uprights and the grey /green palette make an excellent image.
KateGrinGrinGrin

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30 Jul 2013 - 11:48 AM

I guessed it was yours purely by the composition in v1. V4 for me

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30 Jul 2013 - 11:50 AM

I see what you mean about the HDR thing. ( Yuuchh! ) V4 is better, but I also use a Mac, and I agree with Ronnie. On the understanding that, as we all know very well, Macs are always right, I'm uploading a tiny tweak, mostly just darkening the shadows a little to get away from the "HDR" and hopefully make it slightly more "Photographic."

Alan

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30 Jul 2013 - 12:52 PM

Interesting set of imagesSmile
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30 Jul 2013 - 1:55 PM

Interesting findings regarding the removal of the rubbish and the effect this had on the wildlife!! Interesting set of images. V2 is my favorite, its the comp, textures and colour that win me over!!!!

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30 Jul 2013 - 1:56 PM

My first thought--- what fantastic framing in v1, Your text is most interesting, as are the images that follow--- V2 --great composition and color , v3 tells the whole story--- I like this sort of Photo Journalisy!

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30 Jul 2013 - 2:44 PM

V2 is great , v4 better than the original SmileSmile

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30 Jul 2013 - 2:56 PM

Mudlark is a bit like a widtink lol SmileSmileSmile

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30 Jul 2013 - 3:02 PM

There is nothing wrong with HDR when used judiciously and I have to agree with the consensus that the revised V4 is excellent, well processed Dave. Grin

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30 Jul 2013 - 3:06 PM

Ooh...yes yes...V4 looks much better, Dave.

Now that was some really enlightened thinking to leave all that behind for the critters. Well done on them.

Three wonderfully crystal clear shots you've got here...with V2 being my all-time favourite hands down SmileSmile

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30 Jul 2013 - 3:41 PM

Good call with v4, Dave. It did look like hdr in v1.
V2 appeals most for the rigid, fixed feel to the ingredient parts.
V3...everything bar the kitchen sink..or have you cloned it out?Grin

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30 Jul 2013 - 4:01 PM

I love this set of shots Dave, not only because they are technically good, but also because this a photoshoot that would very much appeal to me. You have some lovely reflections in V3. Moira

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30 Jul 2013 - 4:17 PM

All captures are great, Dave, especially V4!
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30 Jul 2013 - 4:33 PM


Quote: There is nothing wrong with HDR when used judiciously

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with it.

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30 Jul 2013 - 4:46 PM

V4 is how I would have presented this picture but V1 has a certain fitting charm - you always provide us with pictures of great interest and your highly commended for that, my choice today V1

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30 Jul 2013 - 4:54 PM

A super set of images, Dave, v4 better than v1, v2 a wonderful composition, v3 image of urban filth and dereliction, the opposite in v1 and v4. Well thought out and put together.
Well done my friend.
Darryl. SmileSmileSmile
Thank you so much for your concerns, much appreciated. SmileSmileSmile

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30 Jul 2013 - 5:37 PM

Great pov on V1 Dave, but V2 really hits the mark for me.

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30 Jul 2013 - 5:44 PM

When I were a lad, a Mudlark was one of the three vocalists of the name back in the 1950s!! Wink Great set, Dave, with V4 being my fave...
Trev Smile

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30 Jul 2013 - 6:14 PM

V4 comes to light now.. Great composition & the hint of processing..V2 is my favourite today with all the different textures & I like the presentation.

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30 Jul 2013 - 6:22 PM

Great pov in V1 - which comes alive in V4 Grin

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30 Jul 2013 - 6:32 PM

V4 saves me time too Smile It did need to be brightened up.
It seems the same everywhere: debris thrown into streams - bikes, shopping carts, and other things that shall remain unnamed!

Anne

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30 Jul 2013 - 7:10 PM

Love the grot in V2 Dave.
Deserves a solo spot alone !!
Excellent shot.
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:12 PM

V2 is superb, Dave.
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:17 PM

Has to be the revisited one V4 Dave..says a lot more
but V2 looking like a wee pee against that wall of dry...caught short huh?Blush
but that is my choice of image as loads there to keep seeing
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30 Jul 2013 - 7:44 PM

Love the images Dave plus all the information.

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:00 PM

Great images that looks like a dirty location. V4 is my fav as it gives the area a well needed touch of colour!WinkGrinGrinGrinGrin
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30 Jul 2013 - 9:10 PM

V4 for me, SO much better. I'm so glad I read all of Nathan's poem, the end is so good.

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:29 PM

4 great shots Dave, I think v4 is my favourite, some fantastic lines here. Nicely done matey

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30 Jul 2013 - 9:35 PM

Beautifully capture Dave, V1 is my favourit. It is really horrible to see that we used the rivers as rubbish dump.very good images.SmileSmile
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30 Jul 2013 - 11:52 PM

I like the composition of V1. Very powerful... great work!

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30 Jul 2013 - 11:58 PM

Excellent set of images Dave detail amazing
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31 Jul 2013 - 1:03 AM

Fascinating set, V4 is a great improvement on V1. My favourite by a long way is V2.

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31 Jul 2013 - 11:00 AM

Good reportage here Dave.

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31 Jul 2013 - 11:53 AM

The tonal range is certainly seen better in V4. With good texture and light in V2. Well done Dave.
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V4 is my fav Dave all well captured but 4 does it for me

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31 Jul 2013 - 2:42 PM

Great set, I do like a bit of grot, v2 is my favourite.Smile

v4 looks spot on for colour and brightness here.

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queengu21
queengu21  4 Israel
31 Jul 2013 - 5:36 PM

An excellent set . v2 and v3 are my favourites because I like the realistic view.
Regards Ely

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almiles
almiles  438 forum posts United Kingdom94 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jul 2013 - 6:41 PM

Great exploratory and observational set. V1 has the interesting PoV and I agree that V4 has improved on it a lot by livening it up. Too muddy in V1 Wink
However V2 is the best comp IMHO, a beautifully observed abstract with a lovely arrangement of strong vertical and horizontal lines contrasting the decay while the colours are brilliant. I've been doing more abstracts away on my holiday and V2 really hits a high note for me being so superb. Smile

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dmhuynh72
dmhuynh72 e2 Member 628 forum postsdmhuynh72 vcard United Kingdom3 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jul 2013 - 6:44 PM

nicely composed images
regards
Yung

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janlea
janlea e2 Member 2janlea vcard United Kingdom
31 Jul 2013 - 8:12 PM

Fantastic set of images Dave, V4 for me! Smile
Jan

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jasonrwl
jasonrwl e2 Member 430 forum postsjasonrwl vcard United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jul 2013 - 8:45 PM

Fascinating Dave - you were certainly brave going in there
Jason

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unicorn17
unicorn17  5 Scotland
31 Jul 2013 - 10:18 PM

I was just wondering what might be found in all that mud and NDOS'S poem was what I was thinking .You are brave ! Interesting images all the same and so is your write up .
gill.

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maggietear
31 Jul 2013 - 11:06 PM

Where were you standing Dave?!! A great viewpoint, everything looking quite dynamic from your low position.
Maggie

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Rende
Rende e2 Member 737 forum postsRende vcard Netherlands4 Constructive Critique Points
1 Aug 2013 - 1:19 PM

Excellent and interesting series Dave; I particularly like the composition, shapes and textures in V2.
I also prefer V4 over V1; lovely composition!
Rende

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ChristineD
ChristineD e2 Member 8ChristineD vcard England
1 Aug 2013 - 4:09 PM

A fascinating set, v4 for me

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LuDa
LuDa  1 United States
2 Aug 2013 - 1:17 AM

Excellent set.SmileSmile
Warm regards,
LuDa

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Skeet1Away
2 Aug 2013 - 1:19 AM

Dave, great set mate. Like the way you have caught the curve of the bridge in v1 but think the lines in v2 are super........did you get muddy feet.


Paul.

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CaroleS
CaroleS e2 Member 434 forum postsCaroleS vcard United Kingdom3 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2013 - 12:59 PM

Excellent photo journalism - I really like the detail in V2.

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sable
sable  6 England7 Constructive Critique Points
2 Aug 2013 - 8:38 PM

Excellent images with a very interesting narrative - Elizabeth xx

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ValeryAst
ValeryAst  2 Russian Federation
2 Aug 2013 - 8:56 PM

At my opinion, the winner here is the first photo, Dave. It looks like two different times, crossed at this point ... Very interesting work, indeed Smile
Regards Valery

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Glostopcat e2 Member 8231 forum postsGlostopcat vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
7 Aug 2013 - 11:26 PM

When I saw your title I thought you'd spotted a rare bird in London!Blush I was sure you'd have got the twitchers excited and they'd have descended en masse to catch a glimpse of this rare visitor!Grin An excellent composition in v1 and I also like all that grime, grot and debris in the latter two

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