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Death of a salesman.. Sins of the Fathers II

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Thanks for both the GEA and User award on the last image.

This image is meant to be a prequal (or sequel, i've not decided yet) to "Sins of the Fathers" but just cant think of another title, thought of "The Black Sheep", "Like Father Like Son", "The Apple never falls far from the tree", I like the last one, but would really have mean't adding another element, and I don't think it needs anymore.

The suitcase elements are all one "Still life" composition, and no the hat hasn't been Photoshoped on, just a lot of bluetac - This is really what i'm trying to achieve with the still lifes and that is a back story - I'm not sure if that is what I have achieved.

I was thinking of putting up the base images for this, would anyone be interested or am I wasting my time (7 main images)?

EDIT: Ive now included the source images, just not bothered with a couple of me texture layers - which I use very sparingly anyway.

Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Death of a salesman.. Sins of the Fathers II
Username:Nick_w Nick_w
Uploaded:8 Apr 2013 - 8:31 AM
Tags:Close-up / macro, Death of a salesman, Digitally manipulated, Portraits / people, Specialist / abstract, The darkside
Votes:48
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bluesandtwos
8 Apr 2013 - 8:41 AM

As one who is just starting out on the composite image game, I would love to see where the various parts of the image come from!

Great image, thanks for sharing.

Dave

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mrswoolybill
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8 Apr 2013 - 8:51 AM

Where would we be without bluetac? The hat looks fine, the only detail that doesn't quite ring true here is the puddle under the empty bottle, there's no sign of it soaking into the wood.
Like this a lot, it's dark and austere, the toning conveys frayed at the edges and rather shop-soiled, which is what life does to us.
I hope you have a b&w too, though.
Moira

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73904 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
8 Apr 2013 - 8:56 AM

TBH honest Moira, I don't have a Black and White yet (may just do one tho), as for soaking in, having worked in an old mill, with years of lanolin imprgnated into the floor, not a lot soaks in.

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rontear
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8 Apr 2013 - 10:37 AM

Well conceived and taken image Nick, related story.
Ron.

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JackAllTog
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8 Apr 2013 - 12:59 PM

Superb - thank for sharing the details too, lovely.

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Daisymaye
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8 Apr 2013 - 2:09 PM

Very inspiring. Love how you've put all these together and made such an intriguing image......Sandy

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SlowSong
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8 Apr 2013 - 5:33 PM

Even more impressive having seen the individual elements. I love the grungey yellowed look. Very well put together.
I wonder if the shirt cuff should be a little soiled. It does look rather clean, as does the newspaper, but I imagine they're new items whereas all the others are old and faded.

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Richsr
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8 Apr 2013 - 5:55 PM

Well worked story, concept Nick, good to see your individual elements for this
Regards Richard

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chase Critique Team 91118 forum postschase vcard England242 Constructive Critique Points
8 Apr 2013 - 8:20 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I like this Nick,alomst-nearly there for me.
The liquid on the floor should be slightly coloured..is it a whiskey bottle ?..if so then the spill should be more of an orange colour.
I like the position of the hat but to me it looks a bit floaty,needs grounding a bit more I think.
Great suitcase & contents & that picture on the wall is fab..I do like the fact that it's B&W & everything else is colour with a touch of an ochre cast.
Window is good,well done there,I like the buildings.
I find I want something sat under & slightly to the left of the picture on the wall...a Cat or even a dead bird,an empty glass,a smashed glass ( to go with the bottle) ..or something.just to complete the triangle of interest.
Well put together Nick,nice to see your originals too.

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73904 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
8 Apr 2013 - 8:39 PM

Should have gone with my instincts Janet, I had 2 ideas, one was a cat, the other a Brocken Whiskey Glass !! May give it a rework. Do you think it's a fraction dark?, I'm wondering if I need to re profile my monitor, as I looked at it on another screen and it does look dark.

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8 Apr 2013 - 8:47 PM


Quote: Do you think it's a fraction dark?

On the smaller view perhaps it is but the larger image is the way to go with this.If you lightened it you would need to drop a bit more contrast on too else it would look washed out I think & you gotta watch the shirt sleeve & that wee bright triangle at the bottom left of the suitcase too.I think lightening it may lose the intimacy of the image & some of the story-line tbh,it looks sombre & foreboding as it stands Nick,sometimes we are guilty of over-working an image for no means ( I know I am Blush )

Quote: one was a cat, the other a Broken Whiskey Glass

LOL...great minds think alike...yeah,yeah,I know....fools seldom differ too !! Wink.....before someone else says it !

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8 Apr 2013 - 9:40 PM

An Englishman in New York ,

looks a good sound to me Smile

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derekhansen
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8 Apr 2013 - 9:44 PM

Really well done Nick. Love the feel of the image overall. I think the idea of the cat would give a more obvious focal point and add a greater sense of mystery. Agree with chases re the colour of the spill and I think the hat would look more natural if it were hanging on the corner of the suitcase with the front of the hat facing down.(hopr that makes sense)
Derek

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73904 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
8 Apr 2013 - 10:28 PM

Thanks everyone, I think it's an image I will return to. Janet your right re the colours, is just suffers when it compresses down.

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9 Apr 2013 - 10:38 AM

Great to see the original photos. Very creative.

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stevenb
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9 Apr 2013 - 8:14 PM

Well constructed Image and as Pete said all your own work. Well done.

Bill

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9 Apr 2013 - 10:32 PM

Thanks everyone. A big thanks Pete for the HC really appreciated Smile

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10 Apr 2013 - 7:18 AM

Very well conceived and constructed! Amazing work! I'm pleased you showed us the original images.
Ann

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16 Apr 2013 - 4:42 PM

I'm late, I'm late, I'm very very late Sad

A well worked and atmospheric image Nick, and nice to see the component pics too. The suitcase and it's contents are beautifully staged and fit the scene to a "T" though I must say that the spilt whisky doesn't work for me ..... wrong colour and it looks too thick, like a sheet of perspex. I fiind the portrait of the guy on the wall a little too large, it just overbalances the rest of the scene for me. Better a tad smaller perhaps?

And I'm just thinking that for added drama it would be fab if the window was open and the right-hand curtain was blowing in the breeze. That I think would really add to the story and get the viewer thinking even more ..... but then we'd be calling you Nick_Hitchcock Wink

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