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Taken at Camden Market on a visit last year.

Nothing special about this photo, just a point and shoot in miniature mode.

Nice and colourful I think.

Nige

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 700D
Lens:18.0 - 250.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 28.5 - 396.1 mm)
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:7 Jul 2013 - 11:46 AM
Focal Length:18mm
Aperture:f/6.3
Shutter Speed:1/100sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Program AE
Metering Mode:Evaluative
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Camden Market
Username:Nigwel Nigwel
Uploaded:21 Mar 2014 - 8:06 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10868 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2867 Constructive Critique Points
21 Mar 2014 - 8:18 PM

This is the first shot of this miniature/toy mode Ive seen. Its quite nice, and the scene youve used it in suits the effect well.


regards


Willie

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21 Mar 2014 - 8:23 PM

Looks great Grin

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Jestertheclown
21 Mar 2014 - 9:25 PM

It's good isn't it . . . ?

I've never heard of 'miniature/toy' mode!
Upon looking at this, I thought you'd used the 'imitation tilt/shift' process in Photoshop and I was surprised to see that it had worked in a shot taken in that environment.
Just shows how wrong you can be!

Well done.

Bren.

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Coast
Coast Critique Team 61110 forum postsCoast vcard United Kingdom292 Constructive Critique Points
21 Mar 2014 - 11:12 PM

Good use of one of the "new" built-in modes found on modern cameras.

For me this works very well here. It has an air of mystery with the man in focus turning back to look at camera almost furtively like he was checking back on a pursuer. His body angle adding to that feel and the miniaturisation style making the most of this. An interesting street scene as the world carries on regardless of the chased man!

I don't think I'd have any critique here to suggest changing anything and it's very different; most of the miniature/toy effects I've seen are of looking down on buildings type.

Nicely done.

Regards
Paul

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dark_lord Critique Team 101475 forum postsdark_lord vcard England130 Constructive Critique Points
21 Mar 2014 - 11:22 PM

This is an effective treatment that looks ok here.
An effect that I guess you don't have much control over in camera, so if you get a liking for this consider software options for finer control over amount of blur and plane of focus. Perfect Photo Suite 8 is an alternative to Photoshop.

My only concern is that had you waited a couple of moments the guy at the front in the white t-shirt would have gone out of frame and you'd not have him as a distraction.
I like the guy in the centre looking back at you which involves the viewer much more than if he was just part of the crowd. Mind you if you'd waited, he may have turned away and you'd have lost that contact. on the other hand, you do have the girl in the green on the farleft in reasonably sharp detail and i think she would have still been ther a momant later so you'd still have had that nice focal point.

Not easy to look after all elements in such a dynamic environment as a market.

Keith

Last Modified By dark_lord at 21 Mar 2014 - 11:23 PM

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Nigwel 
21 Mar 2014 - 11:49 PM


Quote: This is an effective treatment that looks ok here.
An effect that I guess you don't have much control over in camera, so if you get a liking for this consider software options for finer control over amount of blur and plane of focus. Perfect Photo Suite 8 is an alternative to Photoshop.

My only concern is that had you waited a couple of moments the guy at the front in the white t-shirt would have gone out of frame and you'd not have him as a distraction.
I like the guy in the centre looking back at you which involves the viewer much more than if he was just part of the crowd. Mind you if you'd waited, he may have turned away and you'd have lost that contact. on the other hand, you do have the girl in the green on the farleft in reasonably sharp detail and i think she would have still been ther a momant later so you'd still have had that nice focal point.

Not easy to look after all elements in such a dynamic environment as a market.

Keith

You can do both with the camera options, vertical and horizontal also more or less blur.
It was a point and shoot opportunity, so any thoughts of picking out any person in the picture wasn't there to start with.
I`m not into the Photoshop playing with photos.

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Nigwel 
21 Mar 2014 - 11:51 PM


Quote: Good use of one of the "new" built-in modes found on modern cameras.

For me this works very well here. It has an air of mystery with the man in focus turning back to look at camera almost furtively like he was checking back on a pursuer. His body angle adding to that feel and the miniaturisation style making the most of this. An interesting street scene as the world carries on regardless of the chased man!

I don't think I'd have any critique here to suggest changing anything and it's very different; most of the miniature/toy effects I've seen are of looking down on buildings type.

Nicely done.

Regards
Paul

Thanks Paul.

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Nigwel 
21 Mar 2014 - 11:53 PM

Thanks, Willie, Bren and Willie.

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
22 Mar 2014 - 7:48 AM

I'm struggling. I don't see miniature? Just looks like a normal scene blurred a bit topmand bottom. Must be me.

This mode is on my bridge camera along with a number of others, but never tried it or any of the others. I look at the blurred figure, left foreground first, then the chap looking round.

I've just looked again. Still can't see it.

Paul

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 9:20 AM

Try using the mode on your camera, then you'll see the effect it gives you. You need to take a photo first!!!
It's the effect that it gives. It's used on tv occasionally from above a road or walk way.

Nige.

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paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
22 Mar 2014 - 10:59 AM

But why cant I see any effect here? The perspective looks normal to me, other than the blur, so I would not have known any effect had been used had I not read the comments.

Paul

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 11:19 AM

Miniture Mode or Tilt Shift mode.

Have a look at these photos. They`ll give a better effect from a distance of how the mode effects a photo.

Mine`s not used in the right kind of situation..

Hope that helps!!

Nige.

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Jestertheclown
22 Mar 2014 - 2:17 PM


Quote: Mine`s not used in the right kind of situation..

That's what I was referring to above.

I've replicated that effect using Photoshop.

In CS5, if memory serves me correctly, it was necessary to use the gradient tool and I think; although I've never used it, somewhere within CS6, there lurks a dedicated tool just for this purpose.

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 2:45 PM

Some people don't have the joys of using an expensive photoshop programme.
I prefer so see as it was taken on the camera, not an artificial photo.
Nige.

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Jestertheclown
22 Mar 2014 - 2:56 PM

Photoshop or not, the manipulation and artificiality remains the same.

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 3:55 PM

Smile

Thanks all.

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 5:47 PM

If you need to manipulate a photo with Photoshop, it`s not the best shot to start with then!!

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dark_lord Critique Team 101475 forum postsdark_lord vcard England130 Constructive Critique Points
22 Mar 2014 - 8:36 PM


Quote: If you need to manipulate a photo with Photoshop, it`s not the best shot to start with then!!

This can be the case. However, for those with a creative vision an image can just be the start, though they begin with a good image to start with.
Depends on what you mean by manipulation, but that's a whole other debate.

And software is always going to give you more control than in-camera settings, at least currently.

You could say the same about applying manipulation in camera that it's not the best shot you're going to take!

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Jestertheclown
22 Mar 2014 - 8:48 PM


Quote: If you need to manipulate a photo with Photoshop, it`s not the best shot to start with then!

To get this effect using software, it's essential that the original image is a good one. If the focus is out and/or it's not sufficiently sharp, the effect doesn't work.
As for the "need" to manipiulate images in Photoshop, or in camera, unless you're using a specialised lens, it's the only way to get this result.
Without that manipulation, this shot wouldn't exist.

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 9:05 PM

I find it`s to easy for photographers to take an average photo and boost how it looks by using Photoshop and the likes.

If most people saw the original next to a photo that's been Photoshoped, I think most be surprised how basic a photo looks before Photoshopping it.

In my eyes, a good photo is one that has been taken without manipulation. That's the art of photography, not playing with it in Photoshop.

Don't get me wrong, I do sometimes like a photo that's been played with, but seeing a photo in its original state and it catch`s the eye, then that's what it`s all about.

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Jestertheclown
22 Mar 2014 - 9:11 PM

You're confusing manipulation with everyday post processing.
Just about every shot taken in raw (as well as a good many Jpegs.) will require at least some processing. That's not playing with it, it's an essential part of finishing the job.
Deliberate manipulation; altering things to get a particular result or effect, is a different thing altogether.

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 9:22 PM

Every shot you take maybe!!!

We should put the original on here as well as the manipulated photo.

That would be interesting to see and critique.

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Jestertheclown
22 Mar 2014 - 9:32 PM


Quote: We should put the original on here as well as the manipulated photo.

That happens sometimes. There's one on here now.

However, if you're implying that your untouched straight-from-the-camera raw shots don't require any kind finishing, perhaps you could do the same.

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 11:13 PM

I have never used RAW, have no need to use the format either.

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Jestertheclown
22 Mar 2014 - 11:20 PM


Quote: I have never used RAW, have no need to use the format either.

Now I see!

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Nigwel 
22 Mar 2014 - 11:51 PM

I have no reason to want to be able to mess with any photos, RAW just gives more scope to mess with a photo.

It may make them more pleasing to the eye but the photo becomes nothing like the original.

I`m sure you love it, but no one is a perfectionist with photos. We all have our own tastes in what a good photo looks like. The same with music, you either love it or you hate it!!

I don't see anything seriously wrong with the few photos I`ve added on here. Everyone to their own..

If someone has to try and improve a photo then it wasn't a decent enough photo in the first place!!

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paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
23 Mar 2014 - 8:56 AM

You are completely missing the idea of photography as an art form. RAW gives no more ability to mess with an image than any other format. Photoshop is just one program amongst many, some very capable and free. Almost every image will benefit from a bit of work post processing. Almost every great image you see from the past is as much the work of the printer as the photographer.

The digital darkroom is an extension of the wet darkroom. Exposure, contrast, dodging and burning are all part of the process of photography and always have been.

You seem to have the wrong attitude to enter work into a critique section. You look, you read, you learn, or you like what you have done. If the latter, so be it, but you are not learning much, if anything.

Paul

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