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after playing in PS this is the result, V3 is the original resized I may have overdone the saturation but the difference as in cloning out the wretched tree protector I thought an improvement but it may not be to everyones satisfaction I am sure you will let me know your thoughts - many thanks for all c/c's on yesterdays upload always appreciated.

added a new V2 to remove the two raised clumps above the bracken

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Lens:Nikon 70-200 f2.8 and tripod
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:After and before
Username:pluckyfilly pluckyfilly
Uploaded:26 Oct 2010 - 7:47 AM
Tags:Wildlife / nature
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photophantom
26 Oct 2010 - 7:52 AM

great improvement, as long as it is looks better from the orig, no problem.

Last Modified By photophantom at 26 Oct 2010 - 7:53 AM
VIKI
VIKI  8 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 7:56 AM

I think you've done a great job with the cloning and the saturation looks great to me. Well done!

barbarahirst
barbarahirst e2 Member 6barbarahirst vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 7:57 AM

Isnt that amazing !!!
I am inpressed

CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 8141 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:03 AM

All ready for an outing to Ascot! A super image, Ann, very well worked. Carol

jeb2012
jeb2012  5 United Kingdom
26 Oct 2010 - 8:09 AM

Excellent capture

RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 5139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland112 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:10 AM

What a superb job you have done here, Ann: I would never have guessed that V 1 was not the original. Very well done indeed.
Ronnie.

KBan
KBan  9457 forum posts England4 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:13 AM

you've done a great job here Ann

Keith

Kingfisher8
26 Oct 2010 - 8:14 AM

V1 super image Ann very well taken.

Keith.

Shroomer
Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:17 AM

The improvement on the Stag is very good Ann and the fg, lifting the bland shades to more vibrance and sharper detail. What lets it down is being a member we look large and the top of the bracken hits you with the ghostly swirls which jump out. Did you use the clone tool or healing brush?
I like the way you have removed the fencing as that would have been very tricky around the antlers. Appreciate you cannot move or change position as quickly as us to change the angles to capture the image. Its a shame you hadn't put this up for Modification
Richard

LukeParkinson
26 Oct 2010 - 8:20 AM

A great capture here Ann. The cloning, Personally I would get rid of those hard lines of cloning with a tool called Spot Healing, This will get rid of those lines and will smooth them over, blending with the background. Very Nice though Ann!

pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8293 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:23 AM

the ghostly swirls mentioned above by Richard were cars I cloned out and those two prominent swirls are the only ones above the bracken I changed, they could have been less obtrusive I agree.

Shroomer
Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:30 AM

I would never have known they were cars Ann, that bit could have been left, just run the blur tool over them a little, they are ok in the original. Dont try to do too much, there is no need. As they say, try to get it right in camera first, that is where it all happens. As for the fencing that is part the parcel at the Parks and sometimes can be in shot as long as it is not directly behind the head. Just stand and wait and he'll soon walk forward then get the shot.

forestfotos
26 Oct 2010 - 8:33 AM

Morning Ann. I wonder what would have happened if you had just held fire for a few moments? Until he had come away from the distracting background. Because V3 looks as though he's moving to his left, and where there's nothing in the background. You have brought the colours out well in V1.

Shroomer
Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:45 AM

Just sent you a version on email Ann, Lyndon and I are on the same views here. Take the advice, as its meant to help

ianrobinson
ianrobinson e2 Member 51108 forum postsianrobinson vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:47 AM

great shot.
how's my hair look......

teocali
teocali e2 Member 6249 forum poststeocali vcard England18 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 9:26 AM


Quote: Morning Ann. I wonder what would have happened if you had just held fire for a few moments? Until he had come away from the distracting background. Because V3 looks as though he's moving to his left, and where there's nothing in the background. You have brought the colours out well in V1.

Have to agree with the above Ann and with Richard's comments - in-camera composition is the easiest way of ensuring a shot which requires very little alteration.
The cloning out of the fence (I assume you used the ContentAware tool) from behind the antlers is a bit too obvious for me. Very careful selection of the bracken hanging over the face is required to isolate it successfully. A very tricky and time-consuming procedure - best to get it as near perfect in-camera as possible Wink
Sylvia

pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8293 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 9:43 AM

in-camera composition is the easiest way of ensuring a shot which requires very little alteration.

thankyou I do realise this but I was keen to get any picture and something better than on my first visit - hindsight is a wonderful thing

mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 8481 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1077 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 10:07 AM

Excellent work on improving the light, and in getting rid of the tree protector. But it did need the further work you've added in V2 - that's where the vote goes.
Moira

sparrowhawk
sparrowhawk e2 Member 6268 forum postssparrowhawk vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 10:42 AM

lovely work Ann

Brian65
Brian65 e2 Member 5Brian65 vcard United Kingdom
26 Oct 2010 - 10:45 AM

A great shot and well worked on Ann. Well done.
Brian

OliPackwood
26 Oct 2010 - 11:43 AM

I was going to say some things about the cloning, but there is no point in repeating it. A part from that, its is a great shot. I don't think that you've over done the saturation, I think that its give it some more colour and contrast - you've done a great job with that.

samlw68
samlw68  4 United Kingdom
26 Oct 2010 - 12:01 PM

great image.

tashi
tashi  42 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 12:25 PM

Excellent capture!

Alvar
Alvar  7 France2 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 1:08 PM

Good job Ann Well done
Alvar

Maiwand
Maiwand e2 Member 7Maiwand vcard England69 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 2:32 PM

You have done a lot of work on this Ann and its obviously one that you like. For my money thats always the best reason for posting a shot.
Ron

Shroomer
Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 3:21 PM

Just came back to see how many people have offered advice Ann. All I see is 'Great shot' and 'Excellent Capture'. As a friend I will say to you, I disagree totally and would say the best is V3 as it was taken without the processing which is so obvious. Just add a little saturation and colour to V3, leave the cloning alone especially around the head.

TrevBatWCC
TrevBatWCC e2 Member 6TrevBatWCC vcard England8 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 4:40 PM

Well, I think your 'playing around' has worked very well, comparing to the original, Ann. I don't think your processing is obvious at all. So long as you like what you've done, and we on here like it too (well, most of us), that's what matters Smile V2's my fave, by the way!
TrevB Smile

Last Modified By TrevBatWCC at 26 Oct 2010 - 4:41 PM
ringyneck
ringyneck  8308 forum posts United Kingdom18 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 5:34 PM

Thay always make me laugh with all that hair......i'm just jealous ...lol

Nice one

Keith

Louise_Morris
Louise_Morris e2 Member 42396 forum postsLouise_Morris vcard England
26 Oct 2010 - 6:10 PM

I think it's a great image - with or without the modifications - and one I would be happy to achieve - as you say sometimes you do just want to get a shot - any shot - just a shot!!! Smile Well Done! Louise

Dave_Holdham
26 Oct 2010 - 6:43 PM

V1 is a vast improvement, great work, excellent capture too with the lens you had. Smile

lonely_oryx
lonely_oryx e2 Member 761 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 7:08 PM

Despite what Mossy says, I think this is a well taken shot, well composed with good detail. Personally, I would darken the fern around the stag a tad. The cloning could have been done a bit better but is necessary to remove the cars and the tree behind the head.

You said 'with hindsight', it should have been 'with stagsight' Smile

Paul_cats
Paul_cats e2 Member 861 forum postsPaul_cats vcard Scotland22 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 7:20 PM

I'll just give it a click anyway. Smile
Paul

Lillian
Lillian e2 Member 5Lillian vcard United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 8:51 PM

Ann I make this the 50 vote for you, difficult shot to get, and understand that just getting the shot was important, well done on that
(will PM with the directions)
Lillian

Last Modified By Lillian at 26 Oct 2010 - 8:52 PM
brownbear
brownbear  5 England2 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 10:05 PM

Hi Ann following the comments of your pm, that's not what I meant but perhaps it would've been a good idea, as the comments on this one seems to be developing into the unabridged version of '\War and Peace'!
Now to the picture. Not having PS I cannot comment on how it could have been used better, but you seem to have made a good job of what you did. As I think you do much the same as me, (if the shot looks worth taking, get it, then ponce about trying to get a better angle afterwards) I can only assume it didn't move to the right, and therefore say good capture and mods.
Geoff
P.S.
I am annoyed with Lonely_oryx for beating me to the punch with the hind/stag gag!

bromley-smith
26 Oct 2010 - 10:24 PM

Excellent work Ann on the cloning, fabulous image.
Tony

WindowonWildlife
WindowonWildlife e2 Member 5WindowonWildlife vcard United Kingdom4 Constructive Critique Points
26 Oct 2010 - 10:26 PM

All been said Ann !! No point covering age old issues....V3

goso
goso e2 Member 8goso vcard Australia1 Constructive Critique Points
27 Oct 2010 - 7:51 AM

I've said a dozen times on here, I don't feel I am qualified to offer technical advice on photography, but I do know what I like - Vers. 2 for me Ann...Bill

OAKEY
OAKEY  6 United Kingdom
27 Oct 2010 - 9:30 PM

Very well done Ann, super capture.
Shaun

ringyneck
ringyneck  8308 forum posts United Kingdom18 Constructive Critique Points
27 Oct 2010 - 11:12 PM

Sorry Ann for putting the following comments on here but I can't help myself....


Quote: Just came back to see how many people have offered advice Ann. All I see is 'Great shot' and 'Excellent Capture'. As a friend I will say to you, I disagree totally and would say the best is V3 as it was taken without the processing which is so obvious. Just add a little saturation and colour to V3, leave the cloning alone especially around the head.

.................

"All I see is 'Great shot' and 'Excellent Capture'."............YAWN.
Not everyone has the magnifying glass out on every shot and even if the above comments are meant to help the poster then repeating them over and over tends to eat away at peoples confidence....even if they are qualified by giving constructive advice.
Maybe Mossy would like to PM the Great shot people and give then a yellow card ...bet that would go down well.

" Just add a little saturation and colour to V3, leave the cloning alone especially around the head".
I thought Ann did a brill job around the head and how can she improve without practice.
In camera IS best but not always possible.

Sorry again Ann

Keith

FeatherFriend
FeatherFriend e2 Member 632 forum postsFeatherFriend vcard England217 Constructive Critique Points
28 Oct 2010 - 11:09 AM

Hi Ann, I can really appreciate the effort you have put in here and I admire your guts and determination to get out to join and compete with the 'lads' on here. There are issues which have already been mentioned but in view of what you started with I feel V2 is the best.
Geoff.

accipiter
accipiter e2 Member 5accipiter vcard England57 Constructive Critique Points
28 Oct 2010 - 6:05 PM

Good grief!!!. Heres my vote -click. A

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