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Two images of HMS Belfast et al, taken on two different shutter speeds to show the difference in settings.
They were both taken, one after the other, with small apertures and at 27mm on the same lens/camera.

v1 - 20 secs at ISO 100
v2 - 1/2 sec at ISO 1000

Both have needed 'de-noising' especially v2!

Dave

(my wife prefers v2 as it looks more natural!)

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:EF-S15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:21 Dec 2012 - 4:31 PM
Focal Length:27mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.4
Aperture:f/13.0
Shutter Speed:20sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Disco Camouflage
Username:WhiteRose1 WhiteRose1
Uploaded:31 Jan 2013 - 7:21 AM
Tags:Hms belfast, Landscape / travel, London, Low light, Night, River thames, Tower bridge, Tower of london
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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 8146 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 7:26 AM

V.1 for me, Dave (sorry, wife Wink), I like the brightness of it. Carol

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Russell_Charles

Dave. Had you not put the fact you used two different shutter speeds I would have said the difference was white balance. The second having a cooler tungsten feel to it. Just goes to show what latitude we have. You have managed to place three iconic site (not including the Thames) into one razor sharp shot. V1 for me as it reveals a little more detail. Both fantastic shots.

With my impending move to CW I will probably see you up there Smile

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nonur
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31 Jan 2013 - 7:37 AM

Amazing difference. V2 looks more natural all right, but V1 is a seamless night image, delightful to see, Dave. The colours and reflections are marvellous among other things to be mentioned.

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malburns
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31 Jan 2013 - 7:47 AM

A wonderful night shot - V1 works best for me Smile

Malcolm

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netta1234
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31 Jan 2013 - 7:50 AM

I must say I like them bothSmile
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franken
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31 Jan 2013 - 7:50 AM

Version 1 for me Dave - love it!

Ken

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fificat100
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31 Jan 2013 - 7:54 AM

Anabsolute superb night shot. I really love V1, Dave SmileSmileSmile - am very envious of that one!!! GrinGrin

Lavina

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leontari
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31 Jan 2013 - 8:02 AM

An excellent night shot. V1 also for me Dave, colours and reflections are amazing
Effrossini

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Hermanus
Hermanus  2 South Africa
31 Jan 2013 - 8:08 AM

Both are excellent Dave and I cannot make up my squirly mind here Smile I love the colour in this !!

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AnnChown
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31 Jan 2013 - 8:14 AM

I prefer v1 Dave (sorry to disagree!) but an interesting experiment showing the different results achievable for a novice like me at this type of camera work. Love the colours and reflections. Nice one Dave!
Ann

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fentiger
fentiger  13915 forum posts England22 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 8:17 AM

You do this low light photography so well Dave ~ definitely No. 1 for me.

Albert

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LynneJoyce
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31 Jan 2013 - 8:21 AM

Breaking ranks here, I prefer V2.

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NaturesHaven
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31 Jan 2013 - 8:28 AM

V1 for me..................this verjavascript:;sion has more punch and vibrancy..........GrinGrinGrinGrin

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WesternRed
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31 Jan 2013 - 8:45 AM

Two wonderful night shots. What I like is the light with the subjects close to each other being close to each other
giving overall light. So this makes V1 top of the pops with light detail and natural reflection colour.
Well done Dave. WesternRed.

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Richsr
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31 Jan 2013 - 8:47 AM

Well composed and timed here Dave, good low light capture
Regards Richard

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Humblebee
Humblebee  2 England
31 Jan 2013 - 8:49 AM

As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew it was yours. Definitely V1 for me - so full of colour, reflections and panache ... Carol Grin

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morpheus1955
31 Jan 2013 - 8:54 AM

Two superb images Dave, the same but so very different, amazing what a difference the iso can make Smile for me it has to be V1 but I like them both Smile

Hugh

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31 Jan 2013 - 9:01 AM

Two wonderfully contrasting images, Dave!
I just exemplifies how the same view can be seen so differently through the same lens!
Excellent, as always!SmileSmile

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rayme330
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31 Jan 2013 - 9:03 AM

Two great shots Dave, cannot decide on a favourite they both have their own merits.

Ray

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Tibetan
Tibetan  2 England
31 Jan 2013 - 9:05 AM

Two great shots Dave, this is what we have come to expect from you, quality photo's mate no doubt about it! both meet your high standards, regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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mrswoolybill
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31 Jan 2013 - 9:09 AM

Isn't it amazing the difference that time can add. V1 is my preference here - unusual for me because V2 is more 'capture the moment', with the ripples and harsher light. But V1 is magical.
Interesting how the balance between the different lights varies according to the shutter speed.
This one is for Bill really, he will return.
Moira

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Trev_B
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31 Jan 2013 - 9:17 AM

Two smashing images....V1 was the right choice to lead with as the colours are wonderful.

Trev

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31 Jan 2013 - 9:19 AM

I suppose in optical terms, V1 benefits from the phenomenon of persistence of vision.
Put another way, V2 is what we actually see while V1 is what we think we see Smile
And despite my usual grumpy demeanour I'm a bit of a romantic at heart . . . So I'll go for V1.
Regards
Bill

I hope to visit HMS Belfast when we're next in London: last year the access ramp was being refurbished. I gather that my father was on board as stills photographer for the BAFPU on 6/6/1944. But I won't be there at night!

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johnlw
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31 Jan 2013 - 9:29 AM

I like v1 best it's so hard to get the exposure just right on these images without any burn out.
Realy good image.

Regards John

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JohnChambersPhotography

O it sure is v1 for me, was there just before Christmas never took my camera went on board Belfast enjoyed the time I had there, cracking capture good shutter speed lovely detail v1 all the way for me Dave.

John

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31 Jan 2013 - 9:40 AM

Although it is not your intention both images for me add a rather fun and frivolous disguise to what the Battle Ship once stood for. This for me makes a mockery of those who have served and fallen at the hands such formidable Naval hardware.

Regards Nathan

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User_Removed
31 Jan 2013 - 9:45 AM

Two super images Dave, No1 gets the vote.
Regards, Alf.

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RonnieAG
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31 Jan 2013 - 10:04 AM

This is an excellent lesson in how colours can vary with exposure times: the lighting on the ship remains similar but the b/g colouring and that on the river is totally different. Now which do I prefer? Not having been there to see the scene, I do not know which is the more accurate (although I note your wife feels V 2 is the more so) but the more accurate would be what I would be trying for. As it is, in my ignorance, I shall have to settle for 1/2 vote to each version, Dave.
No matter, it is as always from you a lesson in composition.......an excellent shot of the river and HMS Belfast........and no matter what one's feelings are about 'decorating' such a ship in lights, it does make for a fab. shot.
Ronnie.

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danbrann
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31 Jan 2013 - 10:11 AM

It's all been said before Dave so I will go for V1.

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lonely_oryx
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31 Jan 2013 - 10:28 AM

Stunning colours in both. V1 is my fav

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Rende
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31 Jan 2013 - 10:43 AM

Wonderful night shot Dave. I particularly like V1 because of the colours and the smoothness of the water.
Rende

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mossy
mossy  146 forum posts England1 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 10:47 AM

V1 gets my vote.

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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64838 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 11:06 AM

V1 really shows the advantage of having a tripod. Two totally different looking shots. Interesting. Smile

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Irishkate
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31 Jan 2013 - 11:53 AM

Definitely V1 for me - it is much more subtle and shows up the reflections better.
I can't imagine V2 being completely natural - it's sooooo blue!
KateGrinGrinGrin

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jasonrwl
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31 Jan 2013 - 12:26 PM

Fantastic Dave but it is definitely v1 for me - the lighting on the great ship is so much better.
Jason

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achieverswales
31 Jan 2013 - 12:32 PM

Both awesome captures and would be worth of its own upload, V1 just edges it for me for colour saturation, V2 on exposure so equal votes Dave.

Regards

Trev.

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saeidNL
saeidNL  5 Netherlands3 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 12:37 PM

Two beautiful and great images indeed,V1 is my favorite,
saeid

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digital_boi
31 Jan 2013 - 12:48 PM

best tell the wife she has no damn idea but i hasten to add she may have a poinr TongueWink

Graham

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31 Jan 2013 - 1:02 PM

V1, a beautifully captured image. .....Sandy

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Deep_Bhatia
31 Jan 2013 - 1:17 PM

Superb colors, composition, reflections, timing, ... a masterpiece.

Deep

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AnneWorner
AnneWorner e2 Member 7618 forum postsAnneWorner vcard United States43 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 1:25 PM

You must have been out to capture the Blue Hour - a wonderful time of night for images. I prefer v1 as to my eye it looks the most natural wrt the reflections in the water.

Anne

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almiles
almiles  538 forum posts United Kingdom102 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 2:23 PM

V1 feels more natural for me and shows off the colours and detail to better effect. Important when, as others have pointed out, you've managed to get 3 landmarks in (over-achiever!) without it feeling too busy. The right hand bank is a bit distracting with the bright lights but without it the ship drifts in the water Wink it needs the lead in from the back. This is one of my favourites from your London images. Smile

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chrissie3
chrissie3  6 England
31 Jan 2013 - 2:30 PM

V1 for me too - I love the brightness of it!

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canonfan
canonfan e2 Member 4canonfan vcard United Kingdom
31 Jan 2013 - 2:38 PM

Two wonderful images Dave. Displays the effect of different exposure times on an image. I prefer V1 as it looks more natural to me
Jim

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EAS
EAS  5 Scotland13 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 2:52 PM

Fascinating to see the two versions. I'm going for V1.

Ann

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saltireblue Site Moderator 44277 forum postssaltireblue vcard Norway26 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 4:10 PM

Just humour the missus, Dave. "Yes, Dear, of course, Dear, absolutely, Dear"
I prefer the more natural, to my eye, look to V1.
But at the end of the day, you and I are mere males, so what do we know? (I am assuming you also prefer v1)Grin

Malc

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HELANA e2 Member 4HELANA vcard United Kingdom
31 Jan 2013 - 4:26 PM

Grate to see the difference between the two shots Dave,Love them both but V1 has a litle lest contrast, so it has my vote. Stuning images as always. Superb.
ElenaSmileSmileSmile

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EMJAYCEE e2 Member 5EMJAYCEE vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 4:56 PM

V1 does it for me Dave - it just seems so alive and vibrant.
Joan.

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31 Jan 2013 - 6:08 PM

I was surprised to see the variation in colours between the the two shots, quite remarkable! V1 is my clear winner but glad you uploaded both versions. Great work on a well composed shot!Grin
Ryan

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Philip_H
Philip_H  2 United Kingdom
31 Jan 2013 - 6:23 PM

V1 for me, Dave - a superb capture and great pov. Love the 3 main focal points and the illuminated lead-in on the right.

P.

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gajewski e2 Member 10gajewski vcard United States9 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 6:32 PM

Dave, once again I have learned something from you. This is the beauty of this site. Thank you for a wonderful demonstration of the effect of different exposure times. I will certainly pay your fee when I get your invoice in the mail. I only hope the rest of us follow suit.

Here is my politically correct assessment of V1 vs. V2:
1) I like V1 for the eye-popping colours (see, I can spell in British)
2) I like V2 because it looks more natural. (you're welcome, wife of Dave)

By the way -- does Her Majesty, Elizabeth II, know about this boat? How dare they muck up our view of the Tower Bridge. :-(
-=\Walter

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pluckyfilly
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31 Jan 2013 - 6:50 PM

Exceptional work, I like them both maybe V1 by a short thread for the wider picture

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jdinne
jdinne  11 England
31 Jan 2013 - 6:54 PM

God knows Dave they are both brilliant Smile

John

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bobsblues
bobsblues  4 United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 7:04 PM

Never mind the technicalities Dave have my award for brilliance love them both.SmileSmile
Rob

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31 Jan 2013 - 7:32 PM

Brilliant Dave, have an award on me.

John Smile

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LexEquine
LexEquine  8 United States19 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 7:35 PM

'Two Superb night Image Renditions' ~ LEx Wink

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EOS_fan
EOS_fan  427 forum posts England
31 Jan 2013 - 8:27 PM

Excellent shots, definitely v1 for me Smile

Steve

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31 Jan 2013 - 8:27 PM

A cracking example of the shutterspeed effect

Peter

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31 Jan 2013 - 9:17 PM

WONDERFUL! Amazing night shot... IB

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marktc
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1 Feb 2013 - 6:34 AM

Two real gems Dave, sorry to disagree with Mrs Dave, but v1 is my choice and gets the award!

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johnke
johnke  154 forum posts South Africa9 Constructive Critique Points
1 Feb 2013 - 9:05 AM

Photography. Painting with light. Very well painted.

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wolfy
wolfy  1036 forum posts United Kingdom
1 Feb 2013 - 9:08 AM

Brilliant work Dave, deffo V1 for me Smile

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DixClix
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1 Feb 2013 - 10:24 AM

Two brilliant images both sharp and clear but version 1 is definitely my favourite: the colours are just so rich and full!

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sparrowhawk
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1 Feb 2013 - 11:30 AM

2 fabulous shots but i think i'm leaning towards v2 just brcaud i like the subdued lighting effect

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1 Feb 2013 - 12:03 PM

I would love to read all the comments, but its like bloomin "War and Peace"TongueTongue
V1 for me without a doubt..................... absolutely STUNNING Dave, I love all the vertical coloured lights reflecting in the water and the lights in general are brighter and sharper. Tremendous imageGrinGrinGrin
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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
1 Feb 2013 - 1:58 PM

Wonderful colour and light control... I think that I prefer V2. The light is more gentle than V1's. How interesting the different ISO produces such different images...Good to try.
BTW, thank you for your comment about shutter speed, Dave. Still, a bit baffling..I need to find out a little more.

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1 Feb 2013 - 2:59 PM

Ver 1 for me it' s simply stunning .....Phil

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NeilWigan
NeilWigan  4 England15 Constructive Critique Points
1 Feb 2013 - 4:29 PM

V1 for the colour.

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derekhansen
derekhansen e2 Member 6200 forum postsderekhansen vcard United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
1 Feb 2013 - 9:26 PM

Absolutely love V1 Dave, but you know I am a sucker for a long exposure.
Derek

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meniko
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1 Feb 2013 - 9:36 PM

Prefer V1 not only because of the wonderful coloured reflections.
From time to time I am onboard of a huge containership for a 2 month voyage( Europe-China)
So I know the scenerie quite well
You did a great job here, Dave!!!

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ChiliMan
ChiliMan e2 Member 8135 forum postsChiliMan vcard Singapore17 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2013 - 6:36 AM

My goodness...HOW stunning are these shots??? Definitely V1 for me for the colour and light AND the ones in the water...but both are wonderful captures of this beaut Smile

Well worth all the awards Smile

Andrew

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bill33
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2 Feb 2013 - 8:33 AM

Top class work once again Dave, your low light image are always a pleasure to view. V1 for me here, I think your exposure is spot on. Beautifully done my friend, Bill.

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prabhusinha
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2 Feb 2013 - 3:59 PM

A master piece.

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Sue_R
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2 Feb 2013 - 5:36 PM

Definitely V1 for me.

Sue Smile

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capto
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3 Feb 2013 - 9:20 AM

V1, a knock-out shot.

ivor

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headskiesfly
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3 Feb 2013 - 10:34 AM

Stunning shot Dave.
Rick

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Gavin_Duxbury
Gavin_Duxbury e2 Member 5Gavin_Duxbury vcard England1 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2013 - 2:00 PM

V1 for me there is more vibrance.

Regards.

Gavin

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ValeryAst
ValeryAst  2 Russian Federation
3 Feb 2013 - 6:08 PM

Superb light, Dave! V1 for me without doubts Smile
The main thing for this ''discotheque'' - let music from these long ''flutes'' will be playing as rarely as possible ...
Regards Valery

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JimV
JimV  8 Canada3 Constructive Critique Points
4 Feb 2013 - 5:48 AM

Very interesting to see the difference and to see just how much control we have while still being able to say hand on heart "straight from the camera"! As others have said Dave, V2 is probably the truer to life image, but V1 is just so excellent it has to be first choice!
Rgds., Jim

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SteveNZ
SteveNZ  6 United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
4 Feb 2013 - 10:56 PM

V1 Smile

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Ayoob
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8 Feb 2013 - 8:30 PM

Lovely image and excellent detail and presentation ,Dave- like both..........Grin

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User_Removed
13 Feb 2013 - 11:53 AM

like artworks...prefer V1 longtime expo...*top*

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gabymarian
13 Feb 2013 - 3:57 PM

Very nice scene! V1 it's more attractive for me.

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17 Feb 2013 - 7:02 PM

Fantastic colours and reflections in these night shots

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