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Another from the green series.
Dave mentioned the 'muddy' shadows in yesterday's Parsley in a Bottle
which was fair comment - so I'm never sure, if I can't avoid shadows
do I just leave then as they are. Ideally I'll like to get the lighting right so
that there are no shadows apart from anchoring the subject.
All help welcome please.
Meanwhile I was delighted with the response to the said 'Parsley' image
and must say a big thank you to Annette for her prcious User award!
KateGrinGrin

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 450D
Lens:EF-S60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:2 Sep 2013 - 2:43 PM
Focal Length:60mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/2.8
Aperture:f/11.0
Shutter Speed:1/20sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:On, Fired
White Balance:Auto
Title:Montbretia in Green Bottle
Username:Irishkate Irishkate
Uploaded:10 Sep 2013 - 12:40 AM
Tags:Flowers & plants, Green bottle, Macro, Monbretia, Texture
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Daisymaye
Daisymaye e2 Member 5Daisymaye vcard Canada9 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 12:56 AM

Very pretty and well presented.......Sandy

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mikbee
mikbee e2 Member 7mikbee vcard Scotland7 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 1:19 AM

I think you need bit of shadows on shots like this Kate,
otherwise I reckon it looks a bit ''flat'' !!
And the steel in my uploads are the supporting bases for the columns of the bridge to stand on.
Mick.

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taggart
taggart e2 Member 1042 forum poststaggart vcard United States12 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 1:27 AM

envious of your green bottle,

Well chosen colors for contrast in this image



I bought a green bottle today, actually I bought some Olive oil in a green bottle, will be awhile before it becomes a vase!

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Potra
Potra e2 Member 1Potra vcard Venezuela
10 Sep 2013 - 2:25 AM

Dearest Kate, this is a piece of art.
Lovely and elegant.
M

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland111 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 2:28 AM

Sorry, Kate, not having attempted such work, I am not in any position to offer advice, nor to critique effectively: I see that some shadows have been thrown by the flowers, mainly behind, but none really by the bottle.
Not sure just how to evaluate your work but others will be able to offer some useful advice, I'm sure.
Good that you are attempting something different though and I wish you all success with it.
Ronnie.

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LynneJoyce
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10 Sep 2013 - 4:26 AM

Heaven forfend that we post shadows on a day other than Saturday - a new rule from the photo Mafia perchance? I like the soft shadows here Kate., but then again I take the photo Mafia's rules with a huge pinch of salt.

Love the flowers, love the bottle. What's not to like?

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S_Psharma
S_Psharma  2 India1 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 4:47 AM

Excellent still life well captured.

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handlerstudio
handlerstudio e2 Member 2handlerstudio vcard United States5 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 4:52 AM

I think that you need shadows in many photos; they give a sense of form and depth. Sometimes, as with product photography, you might want to eliminate or minimize shadows. And, one reason I like to shoot color on rainy days.....no shadows and low contrast, high saturation.

Peter

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7128 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece16 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 5:42 AM

Another lovely presentation, Kate, with the shadows of the montbretia giving it a 3D effect. Carol

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ddolfelin
ddolfelin e2 Member 234 forum postsddolfelin vcard Wales1 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 5:48 AM

Nothing wrong with the shadows, Kate.
A lovely composition.
You know yourself how to avoid shadows if you don't want them.
Either bleach them out with a strong light on your background (in which case you will alter the tonal range)
or Move the subject to a place further forward thus avoiding shadows ( ditto ).
In this case it's just right.
Shortlisted.

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Andysnapper
Andysnapper e2 Member 699 forum postsAndysnapper vcard England18 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 6:40 AM

Another big YES from me. Lovely composition, simple but it works, shadows in this one are perfect and I even like the frame. One tiny little niggle, and I'm being super critical here, is that the bottle is just a tad off the vertical, otherwise perfect.

Andy

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HarrietH
HarrietH e2 Member 4264 forum postsHarrietH vcard Portugal
10 Sep 2013 - 6:45 AM


Quote: Heaven forfend that we post shadows on a day other than Saturday - a new rule from the photo Mafia perchance? I like the soft shadows here Kate., but then again I take the photo Mafia's rules with a huge pinch of salt.

Love the flowers, love the bottle. What's not to like?

I agree, to me this one is perfection and a real work of art.

Harriet

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Caziwinkles
10 Sep 2013 - 7:13 AM

A masterpiece - inc shadows! Super presentation. Smile

Carol

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Nikonuser1
Nikonuser1 e2 Member 2Nikonuser1 vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 7:16 AM

A great still life Kate, like the colour contasts between the bottle, b/g, and flower, it works for me, I like the shadowsSmile


Cliff

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netta1234
netta1234 e2 Member 2167 forum postsnetta1234 vcard Wales1 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 7:18 AM

I like it Kate,and I cant give you any help.Smile
NettaSmile

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ddolfelin
ddolfelin e2 Member 234 forum postsddolfelin vcard Wales1 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 7:44 AM


Quote: One tiny little niggle, and I'm being super critical here, is that the bottle is just a tad off the vertical, otherwise perfect.
Andy

I've just enlarged it and measured it on the screen and it's jolly near perfect.
0.5mm over 21 inches.

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iosatel
iosatel  1 Belgium
10 Sep 2013 - 7:48 AM

Beautiful colours combination, nicely done!

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barbarahirst
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10 Sep 2013 - 8:13 AM

lovely bottle

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Nigeve1
Nigeve1 e2 Member 1680 forum postsNigeve1 vcard United Kingdom75 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 8:17 AM

Well presented still life image with good lighting, the shadows are fine for me, their density does not detract from the image.
Nigel

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WhiteRose1
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10 Sep 2013 - 8:45 AM

Nothing against shadows per se, Kate, it was just that they didn't seem to fit artistically with the image on your last. In contrast, they do work on this one giving an essential depth to the image. Some people like to stick to the guidelines, some have an anarchical response to them - far better to treat each image individually. Love the colour combination on this one as well.

Dave

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digital_boi
10 Sep 2013 - 8:58 AM

colours work well together Kate a bit crocosmia me finks I would go along with mikbee comments as well

GrahamGrin GrinGrin

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johnlw
johnlw e2 Member 7johnlw vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 9:17 AM

A very nice piece of work the colours work very well and I like the processing.
Regards John.

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DicksPics
DicksPics e2 Member 3DicksPics vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 9:18 AM

I do like your still life images, Kate - something I need to try!
The shadows give a real sense of depth with this picture.

Richard

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lonely_oryx
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10 Sep 2013 - 10:14 AM

Beautifully captured. The shadows are just right, giving the picture dimension without distracting. They add to the image

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widtink
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10 Sep 2013 - 11:14 AM

Beautifully captured and presented with lovely shadows . Whats wrong with shadow ?? TongueWink

Rod

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williamsloan
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10 Sep 2013 - 11:17 AM

a little cracker i mean the imageSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile.




billy

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WesternRed
WesternRed e2 Member 3WesternRed vcard Australia
10 Sep 2013 - 11:28 AM

Another lovely still. Well done Kate.
WesternRed.

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ColleenA
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10 Sep 2013 - 11:36 AM

Love it Kate, I always admire your still life images,they are never easy and you do so well. Just loving your bottle series, you sure have a nice selection.

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achieverswales
10 Sep 2013 - 11:49 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Shadows thrown on the the background would not score well in competition Kate, and I know you enter many competitions! The problem being is the direct frontal flash that you have used, does your camera support off camera flash? if it does then use it higher and too the left or right to anchor the subject with a slight shadow on the floor, this would also entail experimenting with reducing the strength of the flash output, remember from your studio lighting nights at your club how the set up was achieved, hope this helps. I do like the capture but background shadow for me does not work again looking through a retired Judges eyes.

Regards

Trev.

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ChristineD
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10 Sep 2013 - 3:00 PM

Well chosen colours, a lovely image

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rayme330
rayme330 e2 Member 2rayme330 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 4:35 PM

Another super still life, Kate. Really well done. GrinGrinGrin


Ray

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nonur
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10 Sep 2013 - 4:41 PM

I like these bottles of yours and you are making good use of them, Kate. This is fabulous work.

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Niknut
Niknut e2 Member 4547 forum postsNiknut vcard United Kingdom60 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2013 - 5:20 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Beautiful shot !!.....lovely subject, & nicely arranged !

My thoughts ??......move the b/g farther back, to send it out of focus a bit, & help to reduce the shadows !
Secondly................arrange your main light above, & slightly behind the subject (almost backlighting), & position a
white card near the camera position to throw some light into the shadows.
All the shadows should now be towards the camera, with some rim-light on the flowers to lift
them from the b/g, & add a bit of 'zing' to the shot.

Not a criticism, just a few ideas for you to try out.....?.Smile

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10 Sep 2013 - 5:44 PM

Kate, lovely image I've said it before you do these shots so well, the artist in you showing through again. Very nice....


Paul.

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Michaela_Solway
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10 Sep 2013 - 7:58 PM

The great shadow debate! I'm not qualified to offer advice on still life.. This has the Kate trademark & is very pleasing & nicely presented Wink

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jujupops
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10 Sep 2013 - 8:45 PM

Wonderful image Kate, I totally agree with Paul that you absolutely nail this type of shot....love it GrinGrin
Julie

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jasonrwl
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10 Sep 2013 - 10:44 PM

Great shot and some very interesting lighting advice above Kate - thanks for both!
Jason

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BarbaraR
BarbaraR  8 England1 Constructive Critique Points
11 Sep 2013 - 11:59 AM

A lovely capture, great colours and composition.
I like the shadows here.

B.

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sweetpea62
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11 Sep 2013 - 5:55 PM

Excellent work Kate a beautiful image..Lin

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Glostopcat
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12 Sep 2013 - 9:52 PM

A classic still life image Kate, I like the shadows.

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ddolfelin
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13 Sep 2013 - 6:09 AM

Awarded. Not that you need any more awards, Kate.

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BIGRY1
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15 Sep 2013 - 4:49 PM

Nice contrasting colours against the warm bg tones. I have tried doing this sort of stuff myself but didn't really know what I was doing, this looks fine to me thoughWinkGrin
Ryan

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Snaphappyannie
20 Sep 2013 - 11:18 PM

No probs for me with shadows in a still life. Trev is right, though. Try to throw the shadows to one side or the other next time. Would also help "fill"a blank piece of wall, and thus would "balance" a composition. This said, you are really mastering this technique so well!

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