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I am not to sure about the composition in this shot iv tried to keep within the rules of 3rds (for a change) but i still don't think it works I seem to have run out of frame on the left hand side of the shot. I had ago at adding more canvas and tried to do a cloning job on it ( what a disaster that was) must start reading up on Photoshop I just can not seem to get to grips with sum of its functions any help on this technique would be much appreciated.
the only thing iv done to this shot is a bit of a crop at the bottom and added a grad filter in picasa
the shot was taken on a beach walk in lanzarote
thanks for looking
steve

v1 original shot
v2 3rd lamp cropped out
v3 extended canvas .

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 400D
Lens:Sigma 18-200
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:18 Apr 2010 - 9:04 AM
Focal Length:70mm
Aperture:f/14.0
Shutter Speed:1/800sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Program AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Beach walk
Username:STEVELIN STEVELIN
Uploaded:2 Feb 2012 - 7:34 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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SimonAlesbrook
2 Feb 2012 - 7:50 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I see what you mean, you could have just cropped the third light out altogether to be honest, you still would have the same distance between what is the middle lamp to the edge and the foreground lamp to what is the middle lamp at the moment if you see what I mean, so everything would still look balanced, as to photoshop techniques, prctise is all it is check out some of my work, depending what version you are using you could have just selected a portion of sky and sea using the dotted line oblong shaped tool, copied it, so you would have a identical oblong shape of chosen part, then just moved it over to cover third lamp and then paste over, by the looks of it the graduation between dark sky and the sea is uniform so probably wouldn't need much blending, the cloneing tool can be awkward as you need to get in close by blowing image up and cloning as near to the part you wish to obliterate to get as near colour match as you can.

If you are confused, send me a message, unfortunately I am not a full member yet, redundancy, so watching pennies, so I can't upload a modification for you. Hope this helps and it hasn't confused you too much.

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STEVELIN
STEVELIN  6158 forum posts Ireland3 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2012 - 8:21 PM

hi simon thanks for your comment iv uploaded a version as you suggested iv cropped out the 3 rd lamp

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banehawi Critique Team 10901 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2896 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2012 - 8:34 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Composition isnt the real problem here, - its exposure Steve. The shot is very much underexposed. Ive loaded a mod, - with extra space on the leaft, but its not looking great simply due to the amount of increased exposure I had to apply.



How you approach adding space or canvas, and how easy ir hard it is depends a lot on which version of Photoshop you have. CS4 and CS5 have "content aware" capabilities that help a lot. It can still be done with Elements and other versions, but it can be time consuming. Rather than cloning, - theres also the option to use the marquee selection tool, copy a section that looks like it will blend in, or look fairly normal, copy it with Control C, paste it with Control V (it will be right on top of where you selected, so you wont see it yet until you move it), then use the move tool to drag the copied area over to the new canvas,

I know Im saying the obvious, but the closer you can get to composing in camera, the least amount of post processing you will need to do.



There is a tutorial on this on Ephotozine TV, - search for extend canvas in photoshop.



regards


Willie

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STEVELIN
STEVELIN  6158 forum posts Ireland3 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2012 - 8:36 PM

Thanks for the mod Willie that little bit of space to the left relay makes a difference to the composition of the shot.
steve

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STEVELIN  6158 forum posts Ireland3 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2012 - 8:46 PM

the Photoshop version I am using Willie is Cs 3 and i see what you mean about under exposed iv just checked the histogram and its a mile out thanks for pointing that out willie.
steve

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gary_d e2 Member 6549 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales13 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2012 - 10:45 PM

There are a few ways in Photoshop to achieve your goal but I think V2 suites the purpose quite well with a lot less work. - gary

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Lynamick  12 United Kingdom31 Constructive Critique Points
2 Feb 2012 - 11:15 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

[quote]Composition isnt the real problem here, - its exposure Steve. The shot is very much underexposed.
Hi,
I think that Willie has said all that needssaying about the image. As for cloning you will probibly find that there are many ways to get that job done. I have put up amod with the extra space on the left, I also put the exposure as close to right as I could without spoiling the image.
My methot of adding the space on the left. I used the crop tool to add a bit of canvas to the leftside. Then I enlarged the image(had to as eyes are getting bad) I then used the clone tool with a fairly large soft brush, For the sea and sky I set my pick up point between lights 2 & 3and filled in the spare space by starting at the top and just draging straight down. The rocks etc I picked different points to clone from and dragged out. While I had the clone tool I also got rid of that small boat as it keptdrawing my eye. Once that was done I recropped the image. Once you get used to photoshop a job like this will only take a few minutes. CS3 is a good program but like all skills you must practise.
I hope that this helps.
Michael

Last Modified By Lynamick at 2 Feb 2012 - 11:16 PM

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CarolG e2 Member 7134 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2012 - 6:51 AM

I think the composition of V.2 works the best here, Steve, and glad to see you have had some good avice from people. I use Photoshop, but don't use it to its full ability by any means. Carol

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STEVELIN
STEVELIN  6158 forum posts Ireland3 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2012 - 10:26 AM

thanks everyone for you good advice iv put it in to practice and have uploaded a 3rd version using the methods you you mentioned the result is not the best but at least i have the general idea off how to do this editing.
thanks again
steve

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Lynamick
Lynamick  12 United Kingdom31 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2012 - 10:52 AM

Hi,
You have the idea, remember practice.
Michael

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STEVELIN  6158 forum posts Ireland3 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2012 - 10:56 AM

thanks Michael.

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom859 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2012 - 4:16 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Lots of good stuff above. As you now know you are very under exposed at the taking stage. Your LCD will tell you this and you should check each image with a glance after shooting. Using auto program in bright conditions with mostly sky, sea and sand will lead to under exposure. I would have been at ISO 100 in these conditions at 70mm and that would help over all quality.

I know few, in this day and age, will bother with a separate hand meter - I do, being old school. If you can borrow one, check some incident light readings with the hand meter against what your camera says in conditions such as this. You will get some surprises. These wonderful modern systems are very good - to a point. Then you have to over ride.

I've almost given up commenting on logos - but yours is a bit white and insistent - best left off.

Paul

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scoff
scoff  7 Ireland2 Constructive Critique Points
25 Feb 2012 - 5:29 PM

No advice from me but i walked along there almost 12 monthe to the day.Cheers...Paul

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