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This is an image I feel there is more in than I am getting out. It is three images stitched, but I just feel I cannot strike a balance between light on the land and the sky.

Any thoughts or help or suggestions as it is bugging me.

Thanks John

Camera:Canon EOS 40D
Lens:17-40
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Dusk at Roaches
Username:strawman strawman
Uploaded:19 Aug 2008 - 11:00 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel, Roaches, Stitched images.
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Landlord
Landlord  725 forum posts Scotland1 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:13 PM

Don't be to hard on yourself John, I think this is very good.

I have been using Lightroom2 which has a very easy grad and a very easy Vignette tool (so easy you can overdo it, as I often do!).

I don't think you need it though for this image.

Phil.

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strawman
strawman  1022004 forum posts United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:22 PM

Perhaps its a printer thing, I get it close in the screen, but just cannot get it to print correctly. Perhaps I need to look into printer profiles.

Pwerhaps I just need to step back
Thanks John

Last Modified By strawman at 19 Aug 2008 - 11:23 PM

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Steve-T
Steve-T  751 forum posts England66 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:30 PM

Hi John - decided to take up your challenge and upload a mod. Think I might have over done it a bit! Happy to explain what I did if it helps.
Cheers
Steve

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imander
imander  7388 forum posts United Kingdom7 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:32 PM

I think its a beautiful scene and to me look excently captured, I have done a mod, as I am trying out some new ideas.
hope you like Smile
ian

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strawman
strawman  1022004 forum posts United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:33 PM

Cheers Steve, Its interesting, I think you have altered the contrast but please tell me what you did as I would like to try a photo between the version you posted and the one I did. Yours adds drama, and gets a lot closer to what Idesired..

Thanks Smile

Last Modified By strawman at 19 Aug 2008 - 11:34 PM

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strawman
strawman  1022004 forum posts United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:43 PM

Thanks Ian, you did a lot more than I thought possible with my file.

The good news is you and Steve have both confirmed I am not getting enough out of the original file,. Time to go play with photoshop more.

Thanks John

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Boyd
Boyd  1011213 forum posts Wales11 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:47 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

You're shooting into the sun and you're expecting the viewer to believe that there is so much mid-tone light in your foreground when after years of experience the mind tells you that this is wrong unless there is light from another source which is patently not evident.
That is what feels wrong to me.

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strawman
strawman  1022004 forum posts United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2008 - 11:52 PM

An interesting point Boyd, it is shot with a 3 stop grad, but I only pulled the shadows up a bit. As the sun is shining through the rain etc that had just finished soaking me its not as bright as I expected.

But yes both mods deepen the shadows telling me you are correct and that is why I am not happy with it and prefer the mods as they add more shadow.

Sometimes you can look too closely at an image and try too hard.

Cheers.

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mattw
mattw  105189 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2008 - 1:54 PM

I think you are seeing the light now John Wink By lightening the shadows, it has made the shot appear much flatter - but as the mods show there is a good photo in there trying to break out.

The contrast appears very low - I think this needs a strong S-curve in the curves tool to breathe some life into it.

Last Modified By mattw at 20 Aug 2008 - 1:55 PM

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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014749 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2008 - 2:03 PM

remember that contrast is often good, but to have contrast, you need both light and dark.

So bringing out the light so much in those rocks reduced the contrast - which is lessens the impact.

Also, the brighness of the rocks is far higher than the valley below, which seems very odd.

Finally, the rocks are pretty uniformly bright, whereas you would expect there to be bright bits and shadows. By all means bring out the highlights, that makes the rocks get a 3D effect, but remember to balance the dark bit up with reality.

compositionally ok, probably loose quite a chunk of the right because it's not really adding to the shot much and introdices a slight imbalance - you have 2 rocks, the left one is close to the edge of the frame, but the right one is far away. put the right one about the same distance away and it'll look better.

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strawman
strawman  1022004 forum posts United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2008 - 5:39 PM

Thanks every one this is a lesson that you can get lost in trying to retain all the detail in all the aspects of the photo.

My thanks to you as I knew it was wrong, just could not see why for being far too close to the image and worying about the wrong thing..

Regards John

Last Modified By strawman at 20 Aug 2008 - 5:40 PM

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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 54244 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2008 - 6:01 PM

A lovely moody image to being with, but I love mod 3 (Richard/Photogene). And some very interesting and useful tips here. This thread's a keeper.
Chris

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Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314978 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
21 Aug 2008 - 8:27 PM

I don`t do much in the way of landscapes but agree with Ade on the cropping.

Could have been improved even more I think if the two out- crops of rock stretched a little more above the horizon buy shooting from a lower angle/different position, leading the eyes into the distant hills.

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graceland
graceland  92376 forum posts United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Aug 2008 - 3:37 PM

Great View Point


(Thanks)

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Simon_Whitehouse

I think that too many of us these days are hung up on "perfect settings". I've got to the stage these days where I say bollocks to the histogram, curve etc, adjust it till it looks right and f*ck the science.

Si

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Catfish2
Catfish2 e2 Member 341 forum postsCatfish2 vcard United Kingdom
13 May 2011 - 11:29 PM

I have taken shots like this with a Lumix TZ6 and use the Panorama Assist setting which assures the settings remain the same for each shot therefore when stitched the finished picture is consistent in focus and exposure. I also installed Picasa 3 free which has proved invaluable in adjustments. Bruce

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