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I am trying to learn Mono, but do not know how to get the best effects and tones...Lin..This was taken behind glass 32 floors high

Camera:Nikon D7000 Check out Nikon Nation!
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Title:St Pauls
Username:sweetpea62 sweetpea62
Uploaded:9 Nov 2013 - 8:02 PM
Tags:Architecture, General
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NaturesHaven
NaturesHaven e2 Member 2246 forum postsNaturesHaven vcard England5 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 8:16 PM

Works very well in mono....well done..............GrinGrinGrin

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Caziwinkles
9 Nov 2013 - 8:17 PM

Well...you have done a VERY good job here Lin!! Fantastic!
Lots of variation and subtleties in tones and textures adding depth to this image. Smile

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AnneB50
AnneB50 e2 Member 284 forum postsAnneB50 vcard Scotland18 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 8:24 PM

There are plenty of tones and contrast here Lin, what software do use as this will help others offer you the best advice. I use Lightroom mostly and the different tones are achieved via the colour sliders as well as highlights shadows and contrasts. Plus of course lots of experimentation and practice. I don't know about Photoshop though.

Anne

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gary_d
gary_d e2 Member 6519 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales12 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 8:30 PM

I am no expert when it comes to mono either but it looks pretty good to me. - gary

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morpheus1955
morpheus1955 e2 Member 7morpheus1955 vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 8:31 PM

Superb image Lin, great capture, looks fine to me like it a lot

Hugh

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sweetpea62
sweetpea62 e2 Member 3sweetpea62 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 8:33 PM

Anne I use Capture NX2..Lin

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cabbie
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9 Nov 2013 - 8:33 PM

You've just proved you can do it works very well Lin

Bob

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netta1234
netta1234 e2 Member 2153 forum postsnetta1234 vcard Wales1 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 8:50 PM

This is a great mono imageSmileSmileSmileSmile
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Mollycat
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9 Nov 2013 - 8:52 PM

Think you've succeeded. Grin Peter.

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Philip_H
Philip_H  2 United Kingdom
9 Nov 2013 - 8:53 PM

Great looking skyline, Lin.

P.

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Daisymaye
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9 Nov 2013 - 9:17 PM

For starters in mono I enjoy playing with colour filters. It's amazing how that can change mono images by bringing out tones and detail. I find it can be more difficult with sky. It can make it too grainy and leaves a halo many times. This is very good.

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GeorgePlatis
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9 Nov 2013 - 9:19 PM

I think that you are in the right path to success in monochrome photography!
George

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pks
pks  10 England
9 Nov 2013 - 9:34 PM

great mono shot well taken

peter

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sweetpea62
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9 Nov 2013 - 10:33 PM

Thank you all for your comments and advice..Lin

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EMJAYCEE
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9 Nov 2013 - 10:36 PM

I cannot be of any help Lin - but to me you seem to have the right idea as this image has a good range of tones and good detail.
Joan.

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7395 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom970 Constructive Critique Points
9 Nov 2013 - 10:47 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Could you please let us know what software you used for the conversion?
A couple of points - simply as a composition it's a bit cramped for me, and that creates a sort of model village feel. It doesn't convey the scale of the buildings. That may be intentional.
So far as the b&w is concerned, you have a good tonal range in the buildings, what lets it down for me is the sky, which has a muddy look. That's the curse of digital b&w. I want to add a bit of brightness there, to give a sense of luminosity, and airiness. I'll try a Mod...
Moira

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Irishkate
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9 Nov 2013 - 11:42 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Mono can't be learned in a day.
It does need practise.
You have taken this in RAW which is good.
I think the whites are blown a bit - you should be able to see detail
in shadows and in the whites. St. Paul's does look overexposed.
If you use Photshop or Elements you should convert to mono not desaturate.
Then use the colour sliders to adjust each colour in the image.
Go back to Levels, hold down the Alt key and check the right hand side of slider - the screen will show up
any areas which are blown in white. Similarly hold Alt key and check the blacks at the left handside.
Ideally you should have a full tonal range with a little white and a little black and every tone in between.
You can rescue the blown areas a little by using the burn highlights tool and bring back detail in shadows by burning
the shadows.
KateGrinGrinGrin

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2798 Constructive Critique Points
10 Nov 2013 - 3:05 AM

Upload the colour version of this if you still have it. You can load it right here, click the modifications tab, then upload a modification tab, then select the colour version and upload.

Its only then we can comment on what can be done, how to do it, and provide help.

tell us what editing software you have, and how you converted this one too please. Also provide all you shot settings.


regards


Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 10 Nov 2013 - 3:06 AM

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ddolfelin
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10 Nov 2013 - 5:06 AM

I think you have come a fair way with this, Lin.
Lovely shot with good detail.

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7128 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece16 Constructive Critique Points
10 Nov 2013 - 5:40 AM

I cannot believe that this is London, Lin, I would never recognise it now Smile An excellent presentation. Carol

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jujupops
jujupops  4 England
10 Nov 2013 - 1:42 PM

Love it Lin Grin
Julie x

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fificat100
fificat100 e2 Member 3fificat100 vcard Scotland2 Constructive Critique Points
10 Nov 2013 - 1:49 PM

You are well on track, Lin Smile A nice range of grey tones in this image.

Lavina

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
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A well seen and processed image with good tones. You do not need to buy or obtain any conversion software if you already have a decent image processing package. It does not need to be the full Photoshop, either.

You need access to a channel mixer. A colour image is made up of three colours. Red, green and blue. You need access to these three channels to adjust to a mono tonal range that suites the image. There are millions of colour variations and only 256 shades for mono, so you must try and mlve the grey tones around to provide separation whilst remaining natural.

That is why photographers used to use coloured filters when shooting black and white. The colour used passed it's own colour whilst reducing the effect of it's complimentaries.

Thus you load the colour image, then open the channel mixer, checking the mono button. Move the RGB sliders to achieve the mono tones you require. Some advanced channel mixers may also have sliders for the complimentaries too, cyan, magenta and yellow.

It is advised to try and keep the tonal values totalling 100, but that is just a guideline. Do what works.

Finally, make sure you choose images which look right in mono. I think, for example, that natural history needs colour, sunsets need colour, street photography and news can look best in mono.

Paul

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2798 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2013 - 10:17 PM

Thanks for uploading the original colour.

The shot is interesting. I wonder if it was shot through a window? The reason I ask is that there is a light cross shape in the sky, just over the Gherkin building> Its a lot more apparent in the mono conversion which I loaded as mod2.


So a little work on the original colour loaded as mod1. Mainly contrast, and reduction of highlights. Nothing terribly wrong with the original though, - nice light.

Mod2 is a conversion from mod1. Its a duo tone done in Photoshop after a straight mono conversion. As you can see in this, that cross in the sky is more visible, and the sky upper right is a little odd, - hence the window question. I would really like this if the sky was a little cleaner.

Your mono had had a red, yellow of green filter used in the process which makes the brighter yellow building almost white.



regards


Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 11 Nov 2013 - 10:18 PM

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