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I'm really unsure of this one.

Taken early on this morning at St. Anne's Beach.

I haven't had much practice with b & w, but thought that a conversion would suit this image.

I've processed the image in Topaz B & W Effects.

I'd be grateful to know if the conversion, processing and general composition are ok or should I bin this shot!

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D3100 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:18.0-55.0 mm f/3.5-5.6
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:18 Jun 2013 - 9:10 AM
Focal Length:44mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.3
Aperture:f/11.0
Shutter Speed:1/50sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:Auto
Title:The Winding Path
Username:WeeGeordieLass WeeGeordieLass
Uploaded:18 Jun 2013 - 12:05 PM
Tags:Black & white
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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4209 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom128 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jun 2013 - 1:01 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I really like this image. It seems well suited to a BW conversion.
It appeals to me a graphic image so i have removed the figures which might be considered a distraction from the fence and shadows.
I have done some mods to look at other ideas. Mod four is what I like best, without dog or person, contrast increased and whites a bit whiter plus a straighten.
These are my ideas and views, see what others think,
but don't bin it!
regards
Ian

Last Modified By iancrowson at 18 Jun 2013 - 1:03 PM

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7396 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom971 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jun 2013 - 1:09 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Love this. The undulations in the soil effectively create shadows that replicate reflections on rippled water. The lower part of the frame also reminds me a lot of Bridget Riley's abstract paintings, see here for example. The strong, hard, contrasty b&w works a treat, I honestly cannot even imagine this in colour.
I'm interested in Ian's Mods. He hasn't commented so far but I can see the logic in removing the figures. Portrait format works best when there is a gentle, meandering path created for the eye to explore up and down the frame, and there is certainly a route here. But as this stands there's a conflict between top and bottom of the frame, both ends competing for attention. Removing the man and dog is one way of approaching this, I'm also seeing two separate images here, I'll upload Mods to demonstrate. But look at them as alternatives not replacements, there are a lot of different ways of seeing a subject.
Moira
Edit Ian's comment appeared while I was typing. I think I prefer his fourth Mod too.

Last Modified By mrswoolybill at 18 Jun 2013 - 1:13 PM

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cats_123 e2 Member 104005 forum postscats_123 vcard Northern Ireland24 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jun 2013 - 2:01 PM

my first thoughts were that the man and dog were unnecessary...Ian's mod4 (straightened) seems to hit the mark Smile

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gallero
gallero e2 Member 3gallero vcard Venezuela
18 Jun 2013 - 2:05 PM

Una composición y juego de sombra perfecto.

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nonur
nonur e2 Member 5nonur vcard Turkey8 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jun 2013 - 2:51 PM

Great compo, perfect mono!

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banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2803 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jun 2013 - 4:53 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I propose a different approach. Its not better, just different, and another way to view this.

IF you had uploaded this without the man and the dog, its very likely you would receive feedback that would suggest this would be better with a focal point.

Now the man and the dog COULD be that focal point, but their position is wrong, not their presence in my opinion.


Ive uploaded a 16 X 9 aspect ratio crop to show what I mean. I had to add space to the top, and its a little messy, and Ive moved the man and dog. Its a fair bit of work I wouldnt expect you to do, but its intended to show a different point of view.


I love the toned mono, really works well.

Regards


Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 18 Jun 2013 - 4:54 PM

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jun 2013 - 9:21 AM

Nice. And you have my required figures. Just not as good without them. I would have liked them a little further to the right but a well composed image in general. The tones are warm. Not unpleasant though. Reminds me of Agfa portriga rapid art printing paper of years ago. A warm ivory background tone.

There is a difference between base tone and toning. A lot of people miss that. Base tone is where the paper, background in digital terms, has a colour. Toning tones the black and grey but the white stays white.

Paul

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Danial
Danial  5 Iran, Islamic Republic of
19 Jun 2013 - 9:34 AM

The shadows on sand are nice SmileSmile

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WeeGeordieLass
WeeGeordieLass e2 Member 2338 forum postsWeeGeordieLass vcard England
19 Jun 2013 - 11:28 AM

Hi Everyone,

Ian - Thanks for the mods. It's a great help to see creative ideas from others. It never entered my mind to remove the man and dog. I waited a while until they walked past that spot, as I saw the lead-in line of the fence and thought a subject was needed at the end of the winding fence. I can see now though that this image can work without a subject, as a graphic image. I do like your mod 4. Thanks Grin


Moira - Thanks for the link to Bridget Riley - amazing work, so clever. Thanks for the mods showing the different aspects of the shot. The first square crop is great. I love this abstract view and think it would look good on a canvas. Grin

Jeff - I usually try to find a subject to place at the end of a lead-in line, but the mods have shown that a subject is not always necessary. Thanks for letting me know your opinion. Grin

Gallero - Thanks for taking the time to comment on my shot. I'm glad you like the play of the shadows and the composition. Grin

Nezih - Thanks, I'm glad you like the processing and composition. Grin

Willie - Yes, I can see how placing the man and dog in a slightly different position in the frame can make a difference. That may be my next Elements project - learning how to move elements in an image. I'm glad you like the conversion. Thanks Willie Grin

Paul - I'm glad you like the toning. I tried a few conversions and I liked this one, with the warmth to it, the best. Grin

Danial - Thanks, I'm glad you like the shadows, as soon as I saw the scene I thought it would make a good shot. Grin

Thanks everyone, it's very interesting and a great learning experience to see how different people see a scene. Your critiques have helped a lot. GrinGrinGrin

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whatriveristhis
whatriveristhis e2 Member 163 forum postswhatriveristhis vcard England70 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jul 2013 - 10:17 AM

Hi Elaine

Just discovered this. All these people who have offered mods are people who know their onions, Willie and Moira in particular in my opinion. In fact I consider Moira to be probably the best thing since sliced bread. Or even fried bread.
But looking at the mods I honestly think your original image is the best. The composition is nigh on perfect... the cut-off points for the path curve and the different sections of fencing are very well judged, contrast and overall processing is quite appropriate, and the 2 figures are perfectly positioned to act as a pivot, or as a 'hook' from which he rest of the composition is suspended. I think the decision you've made as to where to cut the path on the right hand side is a particularly good one. If I'd wanted to change anything, I might have tried moving the camera very very slightly...about 2 fence post thicknesses to the right. But as it stands I think this is an image possessed of harmony and balance, and doesn't really need modding at all. Just a personal view, of course.
Ta-raa pet...

Alan

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WeeGeordieLass e2 Member 2338 forum postsWeeGeordieLass vcard England
28 Jul 2013 - 11:13 AM

Hi Alan,

I know what you mean about Moira, I always look at my images in a new light after her critiques, she highlights aspects of the shot that I hadn't appreciated or even thought about, and I'm always interested in Willie's opinions.

As you say, there are many people who comment in the CG who know how to make the most of a shot. It's been a great learning tool for me and I'm really grateful to everyone who takes the time to help me.

So, thanks to you for your great critique on this shot. I'm still unsure of which of my shots are ok and which ones should be destined for the bin. I wasn't sure about this one and nearly didn't upload it. I'm glad I did now though.

Thanks for taking the time to comment Alan.

Just gannin' to put me yeller dress on and shave me heed!!

Elaine Grin

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whatriveristhis e2 Member 163 forum postswhatriveristhis vcard England70 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jul 2013 - 2:59 PM


Quote: I'm still unsure of which of my shots are ok and which ones should be destined for the bin.

I know what you mean, I sometimes have the same problem. It's very hard being your own editor, often because you're still involved with the image in some way, and you can't stand back from it. But if it feels right, it probably is. My solution tends to be... if I'm not sure I just bang the bugger up then wait to see what happens. If you've got it wrong, it's not the end of the world.

Cheers flower, mind yersel wi that razor,

Alan

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