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fun shot taken through window at high iso does it work

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D5100 Check out Nikon Nation!
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:8 Aug 2013 - 9:38 AM
Focal Length:55mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.7
Aperture:f/22.0
Shutter Speed:1/640sec
Exposure Comp:-2/3
ISO:1600
Exposure Mode:Shutter speed priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:Manual
Title:FORK UP
Username:youmightlikethis youmightlikethis
Uploaded:12 Mar 2014 - 6:32 PM
Tags:General, GLASGO THURSDAY NIKON, Humour / fun, Photo journalism, Portraits / people
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alistairfarrugia
alistairfarrugia Critique Team 2164 forum posts Malta88 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2014 - 7:08 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

You ask if this works in your description, and you point it's a fun shot taken at high ISO, so my commentary will primarily start off from that.

I can see the "fun" element in this, in particular in the way the composition turned out, it's as if this was set up rather than taken on the spur of the moment. "The decisive moment" comes to mind, well done.

Compositionally, I like how the cups in their hand form a sideways ">" sign, and it's immediately noticeable that there is a sort of ">" orientation even in the persons themselves. The processing is interesting and masks any noise that could have been generated by the high ISO setting, giving this image a "painting" like effect. Given the subject, I think it doesn't detract from the image's key elements, rather it makes it more minimal and focused on the quirkiness of it all. My only qualm is that I think you shouldn't have cut off part of the topmost dude's head. Seeing the original, this could have easily been included I guess.

Finally, I didn't get the FORK UPS at first, but then I associated it with "FOUR CUPS" as I was writing this and I think that's what you intended. Otherwise, it's serendipity. To me "FORK UPS" at the bottom adds to the fun element, it's as if it's FOUR CUPS but misspelled. I'm likely missing a pun here though, given that maybe I'm not acquainted with the culture/setting where FORK UPS is used as slang or a common phrase. I'd appreciate your insight here.

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dark_lord
dark_lord Critique Team 101490 forum postsdark_lord vcard England134 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2014 - 7:08 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I'll start with V1. A strong bold composition. Even numbers are not supposed to be as easy to arrange as odd numbers, but here it looks good. You have diagonals inthe arrangement of cup, people and even their arms. It would be hard to choreograph in normal circumstances let alone capture as a candid.

Looking at V2 I get the idea that V1 is a crop. There is quite a graininess here which I think is down to your processing than just the crop, as V1 looks quite smooth in texture. It also looks like you've had to retrieve details from the shadows and resulted in a noisy dark brown areas.
I don't see why you needed f/22 here, it's not the lens'e best performing aperture. You are looking down on the group but even so f/11 should be sufficient to get all of them sharp.

Now for V2. This puts the group in context. However, this suggests some sort of connection with the woman in front, are they stalking her, it could be interpreted as sinister. Does she just happen to be there? Cropping her out and leaving space for the group of guys to 'walk into' would be a good option.

So yes, as an image you have something here. You needn't have used (such) high ISO, and that has compromised the quality.
I'll have a play and upload a mod.

Keith

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dark_lord
dark_lord Critique Team 101490 forum postsdark_lord vcard England134 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2014 - 7:11 PM

I see I was typing at the same time as Alistair!

Fork ups a play on words and referencing a well known and fondly remembered classic comedy sketch from The Two Ronnies TV programme from the 1970s concerning Four Candles and Fork Handles in a hardware store.

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youmightlikethis
youmightlikethis e2 Member 121020 forum postsyoumightlikethis vcard Scotland
12 Mar 2014 - 7:16 PM

thanks for crits comment was shooting from second floor of modern art museum glasgow hence the the 1600 iso

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youmightlikethis e2 Member 121020 forum postsyoumightlikethis vcard Scotland
12 Mar 2014 - 7:18 PM

thanks for mod

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Mollycat
Mollycat e2 Member 1Mollycat vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2014 - 7:40 PM

Like this.

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41216 forum posts United Kingdom200 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2014 - 8:03 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Sorry but, for me, neither works compositionally.

Not sure why you needed such a high ISO and f/22. The quality is pretty poor considering the light, though I'm not sure how much is due to your processing or shooting through dirty glass. It all needs to be....brighter. And less noisy, and sharper.
There are several compositional devices here, yet none really make the picture. I think cutting off arms, legs and heads weakens the picture immeasurably, and all the 'devices' seem to be the wrong way round. All the things that should tie the group together (clothing, purpose, cups, direction) actually make them look like four individuals walking together.

It would be better if the group was contained entirely within the frame...if only you had turned the camera vertically....

I've said it before, you shoot so many of these opportunities, yet so often there are many points that bring the quality down, and processing is usually one of them. You need to optimise the image at the taking stage, to leave yourself more options and less work later on. This includes composition. I know street shooting is less than ideal, and I know it's hard to get a clean image, and that this is a grab shot, but you need to pick your viewpoints carefully, and your framing. When in doubt, frame looser. If your quality is better, you can afford to crop later. If your quality is poor, all you do is magnify mistakes.

Don't stop what you do, but fine tune your methodology.

Nick

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61587 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2014 - 8:37 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

forget the processing, camera settings the composition is exceptional and modern and creative. it has vee shapes, diagonals and everything you could ask for, the image has humour and has interesting content.

i like the desaturation but hate the reticulation / noise / grain finish and wonder if the image flipped horizontally would work even better. we tend to read left to right afterall.

f22 is or must have been a mistake as the lens is heading to the worst area of performance and you could have reduced the iso a fair bit by opening up the aperture and had a lot less grain.

did you process this way or was it like this from camera through glass etc or something.

image is super though
Phil

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom858 Constructive Critique Points
13 Mar 2014 - 7:25 AM

V2 dosn't work compositionally. I wonder about the settings. Why f22. f8 would be quite adequate allowing a huge drop in ISO.

The idea and composition is great. The grain and softness is not, for me. I would much prefer a clean, sharp, even hard image for the content. the break up of the image is very significant and the subject doesn't warrant that treatment.

Paul

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41216 forum posts United Kingdom200 Constructive Critique Points
13 Mar 2014 - 8:02 AM

The reason it's f/22 is because it's set to shutter priority at such a high ISO. My advice above is really to monitor the settings at the taking stage so they are where you want them, not where the camera wants them. The high ISO is the main culprit, as with grab shots there isn't time to act, only react.

Nick

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Mike43
Mike43 e2 Member 3Mike43 vcard England16 Constructive Critique Points
13 Mar 2014 - 10:37 AM

I like this shot a lot (V1), for me the only problem area is the tight composition where the lads head is crop off, but apart from that the composition, exposure, pastel colors, and grain/noise are just great.
I am not a great fan about details on how a photo was or should be taken it is the end results that is important, for me your photo is a find piece of photography.
Mike.

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