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A disgrace


mikehit Plus
6 8.0k 13 United Kingdom
28 Nov 2012 2:00PM

Quote:This always happens in Labour controlled councils, never in the public sector


Aren't councils the 'public sector'?

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Paul Morgan Plus
14 17.1k 6 England
28 Nov 2012 3:09PM
I can remember spending a Christmas in Rotherham when our son was about a year old.

He walked into a low coffee table splitting his lip, we get him checked over at the local hospital.

Then a few weeks later we got a visit from the SS, we live hundreds of miles from Rotherham Smile
pcheywood 10 1.3k England
28 Nov 2012 4:58PM
It's a shame that Rotherhams Social Services nor Police Department could manage such haste with grooming gangs, or even their expense fiddling MP !
Focus_Man 5 481 631 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 9:37AM

Quote:This always happens in Labour controlled councils, never in the public sector

Aren't councils the 'public sector'?



OK You spotted my deliberate error, I naturally meant Private Sector. Please apply to EPZ for your mystery prize and well spotted.
mikehit Plus
6 8.0k 13 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 10:48AM
Are you seriously saying that the private sector does not make errors comparable to those in Rotherham?
Te incompetence of G4 security and prison breaks, for instance?
The wholesale belittlement, name-calling and damned-near libel that goes on in the press (who are private companies).
Discrimination in the workplace based on gender, age or disability
Do you want more examples?
Focus_Man 5 481 631 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 11:35AM

Quote:Are you seriously saying that the private sector does not make errors comparable to those in Rotherham?
Te incompetence of G4 security and prison breaks, for instance?
The wholesale belittlement, name-calling and damned-near libel that goes on in the press (who are private companies).
Discrimination in the workplace based on gender, age or disability
Do you want more examples?



As I said, This always goes on in the Public sector and more so by many times, than in the private sector and particularly when private sector contractors like G4 work under the supervision of the Public Sector. The other difference of course is that public sector ****-ups like Immigration control, looking after our gold reserves, managing the economy, buying computer hardware and in particular software, employing these public sector 'jobsworths' who have time to hammer the innocentover trivia - all cost us the tax-payer hard earned income.
The main problem being that members of the government have no history of having had a proper job and so cannot supervise or manage employment of staff and correct efficient running of other jobs. The same is now becoming the norm in Local authorities. A lot of them decided to become investment brokers and instead of concentrating on running local services started investing in Icelandic banks! Remember that? Did we ever get our money back? NO! Because public sector people in Ivory Towers seem to think they can run anything when most couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery.
collywobles 11 3.6k 9 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 11:49AM

Quote:The main problem being that members of the government have no history of having had a proper job and so cannot supervise or manage employment of staff and correct efficient running of other jobs. The same is now becoming the norm in Local authorities


Never a truer word said, despite some of the problems in the private sector quoted.
oldblokeh 4 994 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 11:50AM
I rather suspect that the private sector are far better at hiding their cockups from public scrutiny. I write as someone who spent more than 30 years working in the private sector and the last 3 years in the public sector.
29 Nov 2012 3:11PM
It's highly probable that the public sector makes far more ****-ups than the private sector. Reasons-
1. when the public sector makes one of it's frequent ****-ups who pays? We do the taxpayer. Who takes responsibility; usually no one, but if occasionally some gets sacked it's usually with a handsome pay off and a full pension
2 when the private sectors makes a ****-up who pays? The business and shareholders and the workers at that firm. A great incentive to make fewer mistakes.
lobsterboy Plus
11 14.4k 13 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 3:32PM

Quote:It's highly probable that the public sector makes far more ****-ups than the private sector.


Having worked for both I can't see much difference. I have seen millions wasted in the private sector and those responsible were either promoted or used it as a stepping stone to a better paid job.
The difference in private sector is that as long as the company is still making money your cockups get hidden.


Quote:particularly when private sector contractors like G4 work under the supervision of the Public Sector.

No the difference is that they cockup all the time...it only appears in the papers when it is the public sector signing the cheques.
gcarth Plus
11 2.4k 1 United Kingdom
29 Nov 2012 6:38PM

Quote:Having worked for both I can't see much difference. I have seen millions wasted in the private sector and those responsible were either promoted or used it as a stepping stone to a better paid job.
The difference in private sector is that as long as the company is still making money your cockups get hidden.

I agree. I think private firms should be allowed only in manufacturing and service industries - not in fuel, water, the health services or railways - and they definitely should be kept out of schools and prison security services! Sad
pcheywood 10 1.3k England
30 Nov 2012 10:25AM
Ah well, judging by the result of the by election in Rotherham yesterday it would seem, contrary to popular belief, that turkeys DO actually vote for Christmas, and more of the same ! Sad
thewilliam 7 5.3k
30 Nov 2012 11:58AM
The man who was at the helm of Natwest Bank when it made one of the largest losses in British business history was able to retire with a handsome pension. Is this what's meant by private sector accountability?
mikehit Plus
6 8.0k 13 United Kingdom
30 Nov 2012 12:04PM
Is that any different to public sector accountability?
Focus_Man 5 481 631 United Kingdom
30 Nov 2012 12:13PM

Quote:Ah well, judging by the result of the by election in Rotherham yesterday it would seem, contrary to popular belief, that turkeys DO actually vote for Christmas, and more of the same ! Sad


Well the votes for UKIP were great and maybe the wishy-washy Lib Dems will be back into obscurity by the next general election, unless of course cameron sees the light and calls a referendum, thus carrying out the wishes of the electorate for once.

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