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Alice? Alice? Who the f?

ChrisV Avatar
ChrisV 16 2.3k 26 United Kingdom
13 Feb 2021 9:41PM
Öis Alice?

The Alice camera. Anyone else looking at this ?

Itís an MfT mount with the same (or similar) sensor as the one used in the GH5s and the consumer Blackmagic. Obviously quite video-centric, itís a Ďblindí body with a dedicated chip for AI processing (similar to that commonly used in smartphones), thatís actually controlled via your smartphone - either remotely or attached to the back by an extensible clamp.

I think it shows a lot of promise and although it wonít be available until late October (when Iíll hopefully get mine), the developers are quite transparent and communicative and will honestly answer questions.

Any thoughts? Any other early adopters on here?
keithh Avatar
keithh 19 25.8k 33 Wallis And Futuna
14 Feb 2021 2:15PM
Iíve been watching it but I think Iíd want a better phone to camera connection before I slot a very expensive one to the back of it.
ChrisV Avatar
ChrisV 16 2.3k 26 United Kingdom
15 Feb 2021 10:57AM
They reckon it's secure and show a video of shaking it, but yeah I take your point. I may be more often using it remotely, but I would need to test before entrusting my very expensive phone to the rear out and about.
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chataignier Plus
10 254 15 France
18 Feb 2021 8:34AM
Interesting development, but not for me... I dont do video and I like to review and post process photos at leisure before posting to EPZ or any other forum, so the connectivity and immediacy features have no particular value for me.

Just in passing, a friend has transformed an antique plate camera with a big leather bellows into a system that works the same way as Alice. A small hybrid camera behind a dummy lens communicating with a tablet integrated into the plate carrier. He uses it for school photos etc where the antique camera, plus himself dressed as a late 19th C photographer, provides a bit of interest for the kids.
ChrisV Avatar
ChrisV 16 2.3k 26 United Kingdom
18 Feb 2021 9:43AM
I'm actually not that interested in the immediacy/connectivity aspect.

Your friend's camera does sound interesting as a novelty [I don't mean that in a negative way - it sounds like a very useful/engaging thing in the context] and there is obviously a similarity in the physical paradigm. But it isn't even really that which interests me in the Alice. Viewing a large, bright touchscreen, while it does have its attractions, is not especially enticing for me personally. My main current camera is a G9. Apart from low/high angle shots, I almost never use the rear screen - it's almost always reversed against the back of the camera. I prefer the experience of a closed finder which I feel gives me the best technique for framing shots.

So far this sounds like just about the worst camera for the type of user I am. The thing that actually does intrigue me is the promise of computational power and AI algorithms behind the camera - both in the dedicated chip and the programmable smartphone App which controls the camera.

The promise of that is processing that as in smartphones, employs computational techniques that will enhance the capabilities of the camera - that is in terms of noise control, dynamic range, multi-shot enhancement and so on. The key difference of course between it and a mobile phone is a much, much larger sensor and the ability to use a huge range of superior glass.

So essentially a product that combines some of the strengths of a sophisticated smartphone with those of a dedicated large[ish] sensor camera.

For me personally the 'convenience' aspect of it looks to come with lots of inconvenience - that is lack of an enclosed finder and the faff of balancing a phone on the end of the device.


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