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Buying film .... Specilaist...Hmmmm

pchristi 16 30
17 Nov 2004 9:42AM
I'm away working at the moment in the US, stupidly I have forgotten all my film, (I can hear the digital titters from here). I went to a local store, Wolf Cameras a part of the Ritz group to look for Reala. The conversation went a bit like this...

"Five rolls of Reala please"
"sorry we don't stock it anymore"
"OK five rolls of Provia 100"
"Same thing sir, don't stock it"
"Velvia 100 or 50?"
"OK I'll go B&W...XP2"
"Sir if you want that Specialist film stock you will need to try another store"

Specialist indeed!?! At the moment I order all my stock mail order, as high street stores in the UK even seem to be running low on stocks. How long before film users will be classed as "specialist" in the UK??

BTW.....Managed to get some Velvia 100 on my second attempt.
Just Jas 19 26.3k 1 England
17 Nov 2004 9:50AM
Thousands and thousands of people who have film cameras, especially those who recently invested in same from the big players, are going to demand it. Somebody will meet the demand. Maybe a bit dearer, but a hobby is a hobby!

c_evans99 17 7.0k 1 Wales
17 Nov 2004 9:51AM
Happens in everything tho doesn't it... a few years ago I tried to buy my brother some golf balls for Christmas... there were at the time around eight 'sports shops' in Swansea and all told me that I'd need to go to a specialist shop!

Bookshops anywhere except university towns carry nothing but bestseller fiction... record shops carry nothing but the top ten.

It's all about 'choice' apparently Smile

Carabosse 18 41.6k 270 England
17 Nov 2004 9:54AM
Supply and demand, demand and supply.

If there's no demand they won't stock it. If there is they will.

But it reminds me of the story of the little old lady going into the village store to ask for an item and the shopkeeper saying, "There is NO demand for it - and you're the SIXTH person I've had to tell that to today!"

Just Jas 19 26.3k 1 England
17 Nov 2004 10:03AM
Which reminds of a true story.

A little old lady went into store to buy cleaning materials. She asked for one thing after another of the much younger woman assistant. Each time she received the answer "No, we don't have that".

Finally, and not a little exasperated, she asked "Well, have you got any Gumption?" (A well known polishing compound at the time).

The Manager had to seperate them!

shooter 19 105 Canada
17 Nov 2004 5:46PM
I'm sorry, sir, we don't actually have any cheese.
michaeldt 17 1.2k
18 Nov 2004 12:18AM
supply and demand??? as far as cd stores go, the record companies demand and the shops supply. everytime the "latest" single comes out, they splash it all over the place, no wonder they sell so well, people with money burning holes in their pockets just can't resist. most people who can't buy the cd they want, usually end up buying something anyway, just so it's not a wasted trip. what really gets my blood racing, is the prices they charge in the uk for older cd's released many years ago. they seem to be 50% more expensive. back in south africa, these are usually the cheapest cd's around. at least films don't follow the same trend.

i'm not too bothered though, i don't really buy anything from the high street anymore, except clothes, or when i need something urgently.

i have more film at home than i need, and i already have the film i'm taking with to prague in december, plus i'll be ordering some more after this month's payday to fill the gaps...
pchristi 16 30
18 Nov 2004 3:22AM
Up early, so it's time to hit the virtual world. That ole body clock, ya just can't beat it.

Anyway, supply and demand. Who actually deems when demand has dropped too low to make a product viable? And do we believe them? For my sins I also enjoy HiFi, so you know what's coming now, vinyl vs CD. I'll not get into the pro's and con's of each, but, the 'record' industry told the world that CD was the way forward, demand for vinyl subsided, manufacturing costs increased because of less sales, independent labels and presses went under, the whole vinyl industry imploded. But there was still hobbisits, like me, in vain trying desparately to keep it alive. A real hardcore minority of hobbists, or so we thought. The popularity of dance music, and DJing has prompted something of a resurgence in vinyl. It is only now with the dance vinyl becoming available that other music groups are making their voices heard and mainstream music is once again being pressed on vinyl. The demand never actually went away, were were told it had.

I have rambled a bit, but the point I have tried to make is; Even though the demand for vinyl declined, I, personally, do not believe that it declined to such an extent, so rapidly, that it created the drastic shift from vinyl to CD.

Will this artificial lack of demand be the same for film? It appears to have been the way in the US? I stand to be corrected........Going back to bed to watch telly.
Just Jas 19 26.3k 1 England
18 Nov 2004 3:32AM
"Who actually deems when demand has dropped too low to make a product viable?"

Manageral decision when the profits fall too low!

Smaller specialist companies with lower overheads may carry on.

Originally the CD recording gear was frightfully expensive, and the smaller record labels couldn't afford it. Now any one can record a CD for about 5p or less!

pchristi 16 30
22 Nov 2004 2:04AM
Just thought I would add this to my already discussed thread....

I saw this report today about the 'death' of video
Dixons have declared video dead in favour of DVD. It's going to happen to film too!

BTW...This quote from the report about the betamax v vhs war..
VHS eventually won, largely because it was the format favoured by rental shops which many households used due to their cost.

I thought it was something to do with the availability of porn on vhs Wink
Carabosse 18 41.6k 270 England
22 Nov 2004 3:50AM
I still use a VCR (to record TV programmes... I rarely watch anything in real-time) and DVD player for everything else - including video taken by myself and put onto disk: I never use VHS tape for that now.

But in the longer term I will probably replace both my units with a DVD recorder.
pchristi 16 30
22 Nov 2004 4:07AM
Well Carabosse, if Dixons are to be believed that they are an influence on the market, VCR tapes will be very hard to source very soon. The report says that Dixons will have sold all their VCR hardware by Christmas, along with that they will cease to stock tapes at some point, sooner rather than later I expect. Probably by next Xmas it will all be over for poor old VCR.

If the decline is that rapid (we have to see yet) for an entrenched technology like VCR, with, presumambly, a strong consumer demand; What chance film?

Perhaps you will have to look at that DVDR sooner than you expected. I think I'll cut out the DVD media altogether and go for a hard disc option for ad hoc TV recording. I have no problems with embracing the digital world, I just wanted to keep the analogue world a bit longer.
raziel_uk 17 4.9k
22 Nov 2004 4:23AM
Pchristi mentioning that VHS won over betamax was partially correct. I believe that Sony kept a very tight control over who used their (betamax) tapes, whereas JVC just licensed the VHS format out to anyone (not unlike Microsoft).

As for the video/DVD/hard disk debate. My wife and I have all three.

For general day-to-day recording we use our Sky+ box (up to 20 hours worth of tv can be recorded). Because we have Sky+ we can record two Sky programmes at once (as long as we're not watching a third Sky channel). So with the video recorder we can record three programmes at once.

Having the video recorder, however, comes in handy when we want to keep something we've recorded as we don't have a DVDR yet. Or, alternatively if there's two programmes that we want to record while watching a third channel.

We also have a DVD player and most of the films we buy now are on DVD format and I like all the extras. However, we do still by films on video (if we can find them) if the DVD doesn't offer us any extras. My wife and I aren't the sort that would just watch a film part way in (as you can quite easily with DVD).

For the foreseeable future I don't see us changing or getting rid of any of our equipment as it is all still regularly used.


strawman 17 22.2k 16 United Kingdom
22 Nov 2004 4:27AM
I have a hard disk digi box recorder. I now no longer bother with a video recorder as 95% of the use was to record for viewing later, followed by deletion. I was going to buy a DVD recorder but the combination of price and limitted recording time put me off.
digicammad 18 22.0k 40 United Kingdom
22 Nov 2004 4:31AM
Haven't used a VCR for 3 years. We have a TiVo, which is an intelligent hard disk recorder. We tell it the type of programs we like and it looks out for them for us.


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