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Elemental or Lencarta

5 Dec 2012 9:42AM
Looking to get a couple of semi pro strobes. Have used bowens and elinchrom in studios but can't really afford these so looking at Elemental trinity nano and Lencarta smartflash or elitepro. Really want 400w which is the power of the elemental, the lencarta is a bit less powerful at 200 or 300w. Elemental has less powerful modelling lamp but comes out cheaper for a whole kit with triggers, bag, modifyers etc. Problem is I have not been able to see either as nobody stocks them in my area (Cheshire / Manchester). Anyone have these lights or know anything about them?

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timbo 15 596 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 11:34AM
Not what you want to hear but save up and buy Bowens or Elenchrom (or even get second hand). Buy cheap, buy twice definitely applies to studio flash units.
Paul_Anthony 6 442 4 Wales
5 Dec 2012 12:02PM
We use the Elite Pro 600 and have had no problems what so ever.

JackAllTog Plus
9 5.0k 58 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 12:40PM
I searched for quite a while for a good value studio head,I got one (then another) of the interfit s-fitting (bowens style) 600W StellerX Model number INT438, It generally seems as good as the studio lights i used at our club. I found that fotosense had a good price on these.

I chose the S-fitting for the wide variety of 3rd party light modifiers available.

If i got more then I'd look to see if there was a higher speed flash pulse version to freeze dance movement even faster - but faster lights are much more expensive.
GarethRobinson 11 1.0k 2 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 4:55PM
We have and use for the last 2 years studio lights 400w models from Elemental. They are solid units, quite fans and have never missed a beat and trust me a studio night at are club is enough to blow any less than quality strobe to bits.
Being a brand snob is great if you have the money to blow, sometimes you can get as good or better at less cost, and these are dam good.
5 Dec 2012 5:03PM
Thanks Gareth, just what I wanted to hear! Just visited your website by the way - impressive stuff. Especially like the high speed flash of the coal tit in flight - sharp as a tack.
arhb Plus
10 3.4k 68 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 5:04PM
Guess that makes me a brand snob Wink
GarethRobinson 11 1.0k 2 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 5:11PM
Well it means im a brand snob as well really, as it was me that researched and purchased the studio gear for our camer club. It says Elemental on the bag and the lights but don't tell others. Tongue
arhb Plus
10 3.4k 68 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 6:30PM
I think it's worth mentioning, that I bought into the Elinchrom system, not only for the quality of the strobes but also for the design and quality of the modifiers.
AFAIK, Elinchrom were the first to make a softbox(Rotalux) system that could be put together, ready for use, very quickly.
They also make deflectors, that fit 6 inches in front of the flash tube, which 'deflects' light around the interior of the modifier, and stop hotspots occurring if not used, even with 2 diffusers/baffles.

I have a 3rd party generic softbox which takes an age to put together,
and as I dont own a studio, set up and take down time in a rented studio/hall makes a critical difference in the actual time I have to shoot.
If you have a studio, you can leave these assembled - no ptoblem.

There are now systems made for most brands that allow for quick assembly(Walimex on ebay), which you pay for, but depending on your circumstances, are well worth considering,
which ever system you decide to buy into.
5 Dec 2012 8:40PM
Agree that softboxes are a pain to put up, and like you I will be packing away and getting out again as I don't have a studio. Tempted to use spillkills with shoot through umbrellas but the light is a bit harsh compared to a softbox. Bessel have softboxes which go up like an umbrella. I have a Bessel backdrop which I'm impressed with but not sure of the quality of their softboxes. They are here http://www.bessel.co.uk/acatalog/Soft_Boxes.html
5 Dec 2012 8:58PM
Better illustration of speedbox here from Bessel http://www.bessel.co.uk/info/60x60%20Speedbox.html and youtube video of similar Profold box from Lencarta here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4UAa8eZnxM

Definitely the way to go IMO rather than threading rods through and putting the whole thing together while its under tension!
arhb Plus
10 3.4k 68 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2012 9:31PM
I got a vinyl backdrop from Bessel - a good company from my experience.
I would think that their softboxes are OK - the umbrella assembly is the type I was mentioning.
Maybe phone them and have a chat - very helpful when I've called them.
timbo 15 596 United Kingdom
7 Dec 2012 12:02PM
I wouldn't consider myself a brand snob but as a working pro i choose Bowens for build quality and reliability. I have lights which are 20 years old and still going strong. I know they will give consistent results time after time.

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