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Explosions in London - NEWS ONLY PLEASE

13 Jul 2005 12:31AM
Intead of making assumptions about people in the thread, watch the news then make up your mind about the contributors to the thread. Ashley, please think before you post a reply to any thread.
raziel_uk 16 4.9k
13 Jul 2005 12:34AM
From the bbc news site:

Detectives believe three British men of Pakistani descent died carrying out the first attacks of their kind in the UK.

If you notice they say "believe" not for definite.

If you think back to the Madrid train bombing last year the Spanish government were 100% convinced it was ETA that had carried out the bombing for the first few hours... then the evidence came in.

I am only saying we can't read "believe" to be "definite".

andytvcams 18 10.4k 1 United Kingdom
13 Jul 2005 12:38AM
What the hell are you going on about Ashley?.
UserRemoved 16 6.2k 1
13 Jul 2005 12:47AM
Well, Ashley, CCTV footage of 4 people seen together arriving from Thameslink train, evidence of 3 of them found at explosion sites, bomb making equipment found in raids in Leeds, explosives found in car at Luton station, does seem sufficient grounds for official "speculation".

Especially, given that the BNP is already using the bus bomb photo in their literature at the by-election (implying 'immigrants entering illegally')

Oh, and what put the police on the trail: the parents of one of them reporting that their son was missing

Does appear to be that youth is being targetted for radicalisation - of the same character type as fell foul of the Moonies: intelligent, slightly introvert
lobsterboy Plus
16 14.9k 13 United Kingdom
13 Jul 2005 12:59AM
And on a much lighter note:

I have noticed that all the London Underground anouncments start
"Due to the unfortunate incidents of last thursday..."

I just love that - its so British, it equates an act of terrorism to your trousers falling down at the vicarage tea party.
Bernie 17 2.2k
13 Jul 2005 1:08AM
There are some great pics in the gallery this morning.
StrayCat 16 19.1k 3 Canada
13 Jul 2005 3:52PM
LEEDS, England (AP) - Police pursued what they suspect is a mastermind behind last week's terror attacks in London, raiding a home Wednesday and widening their search to a new area. The top law enforcement official suggested the bombers were "foot soldiers" intent on causing mayhem.

Wednesday night's raid in Aylesbury, some 64 kilometres northwest of London and near the city of Oxford, resulted in no arrests but police were searching the house, Scotland Yard said.

As a show of defiance, London's trademark black taxis and red double-decker buses were asked to pull to the side of the road and workers were urged to take to the streets at midday Thursday for a moment of silence marking the week that has passed since the July 7 terrorist bombings killed at least 52 people.

Details emerged Wednesday about the lives of the suspected bombers, one of whom was only 19. But authorities suspected the four attackers - including at least three Britons of Pakistani descent - didn't work alone, and that their collaborators or leader were likely still at large.

"These foot soldiers who have done this are only one element of an organization that is bringing about this kind of mayhem in our society," Home Secretary Charles Clarke, the country's top law enforcement official, told the BBC. "We are looking very, very closely at the relationship between the people who may have committed the offences and the wider network around them."

Countries need to defend their values "against those who would destroy it," Clarke said.

"That means standing out against, in a very strong way, anybody who preaches the kind of fundamentalism, as I say, which can lead four young men to blow themselves and others up on the tube on a Thursday morning," he said.

His comments went beyond the cautious statements of police, who said Tuesday they were investigating the possibility that all four suspects died in explosions on a bus and three subway trains.

The Home Office said there was no evidence at this point to support a conclusion that the bombers intended to die.

Several officials, including Foreign Minister Jack Straw, have said the attacks bore the "hallmark" of al-Qaida. Two claims of responsibility purportedly from militant Islamic groups have surfaced.

A U.S. government official confirmed Wednesday that Shahzad Tanweer, Hasib Hussain and Mohammed Sidique Khan are thought to have been three of the bombers. The names are being checked to see if they appear on any U.S. databases. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because British investigators have not publicly released the identities of the suspected attackers.

Britain's Press Association, citing police officials, said Wednesday police had identified the fourth suspected bomber but no name or details were reported.

Surveillance cameras captured the four as they arrived in the capital 20 minutes before the beginning of the rush-hour explosions.

Police refused to comment on a BBC report that authorities were seeking a fifth suspect.

In London, police continued to search through voluminous evidence from close-circuit TV footage and the grisly scene where the blasts ripped apart three trains and a bus. In and around the northern city of Leeds, home to a large Muslim community, police searched for evidence in sealed-off neighbourhoods where three of the four suspects lived.

More than 100 alleged revenge attacks - including the killing of a Pakistani immigrant - have been reported in Britain since the bombings. Police increased protection in Muslim communities.

With fears of further backlash growing, Prime Minister Tony Blair urged Britons not to judge all Muslims by the acts of those inspired by a "perverted and poisonous misinterpretation" of Islam. Muslims spoke out about the need to protect their own children from the kind of extremist thinking believed to have led the four men to commit the first successful suicide bombings in Western Europe.

Addressing the House of Commons, Blair said the government also would look urgently at how to strengthen the process for excluding from Britain those who incite hatred and make it easier to deport such people.

In a series of police raids on six homes in the Leeds area on Tuesday, police hunted for explosives and computer files that could lead to a mastermind behind the London attacks. They arrested a 29-year-old man identified by Press Association as a relative of one of the suspected bombers. On Wednesday, a judge approved a warrant for police to keep the unidentified man in custody through Saturday.

One of the alleged bombers, Shahzad Tanweer, was a 22-year-old cricket-loving sports science graduate; Hasib Hussain was 19; and Mohammed Sidique Khan was the 30-year-old father of an 8-month-old baby.

Tanweer's uncle, Bashir Ahmed, said his nephew had gone to Pakistan for two months earlier this year to study religion, and that the family believed he was attending "some religious function" on the day of the bombings.

"It was total shock, I mean, it's unbelievable," Ahmed told reporters.

"Our lives have been shattered," he said. "It's impossible to describe it. We have had a very pleasant time here. I don't think we can continue here."

Neighbours of Tanweer in Leeds' rows of Victorian-era red brick houses were apprehensive and hostile, walking quickly past reporters gathered at the cordons. One warehouse worker, who would only give his first name, Saj, said Tanweer was a "good lad" and athlete.

"He was quiet," he said. "He was religious. He went to every mosque here. There are loads of mosques here."
ade_mcfade 16 15.2k 216 England
14 Jul 2005 2:53AM
there's a 2 minute silence at 12 noon today followed by a vigil at trafalgar square at 6PM tonight.
nigelf22 16 583
14 Jul 2005 3:06AM
So will people be allowed to take photos in Trafalgar Square and will Ken be there..?
andytvcams 18 10.4k 1 United Kingdom
14 Jul 2005 3:16AM

We will never forget...

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