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Gambling addiction and the extinction rebellion


hobbo Plus
8 1.3k 2 England
8 Oct 2019 6:55AM
Mmmmmmmm!

Where to start ?...
I note that the media today are drawing attention to the fact that our NHS is initiating gambling addiction clinics for young people.....I find that particularly galling when many top soccer teams actively advertise and promote gambling, as do the BBC and commercial TV almost every time they show a game clip or manager interview..... funding for the clinics should come from the direct taxation of those who run and promote gambling.

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Whilst agreeing that something needs to be done to prevent a global environmental disaster....but not in the way demonstrated this week.

The current Extinction Rebellion protests in London and beyond.... on TV news I noted this morning I noticed dozens of Chinese made, imported tents, ground sheets, anoraks, umbrellas most of which will be left on the streets afterward, like they are at Festivals. Did the protesters all walk to the event? They all posses a mobile phone, again, almost certainly made and exported from China....the clothes they wear, made by poorly paid workers in India and other poorer nations, not forgetting the vacuum flasks, and most of the other paraphernalia required to attend.

Who are these people, who can afford not to work? to travel and to disrupt, whilst others attempt to get to work, or to an important appointment or critical meeting.

Discuss!

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andybebbs 11 584 1 England
8 Oct 2019 7:58AM
here here 2nd that you should of seen the mess they left behind in bristol. jokers
brian1208 Plus
16 11.5k 12 United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 8:43AM

Quote:Whilst agreeing that something needs to be done to prevent a global environmental disaster....but not in the way demonstrated this week.

The current Extinction Rebellion protests in London and beyond.... on TV news I noted this morning I noticed dozens of Chinese made, imported tents, ground sheets, anoraks, umbrellas most of which will be left on the streets afterward, like they are at Festivals. Did the protesters all walk to the event? They all posses a mobile phone, again, almost certainly made and exported from China....the clothes they wear, made by poorly paid workers in India and other poorer nations, not forgetting the vacuum flasks, and most of the other paraphernalia required to attend.

Who are these people, who can afford not to work? to travel and to disrupt, whilst others attempt to get to work, or to an important appointment or critical meeting.

Discuss!



they have already supplied the answer to this - "we are right and you need to listen to us"


I must be great to be so self confident that you demand the impossible and expect everyone to follow your instructions - or else!
SlowSong Plus
11 8.3k 30 England
8 Oct 2019 9:35AM
They know they can get away with all this disruption by sheer dent of numbers. The police have their hands tied as they have to be so careful not to upset anyone these days, so clearing the crowds or containing them is virtually impossible. It's a bit of a jolly for the protesters, but not for those needing to get to work, hospital or around town. Selfish, irresponsible people. The police have more important things to do.

As for Hobbo's first point re gambling, I often listen to LBC (do idea why sometimes), and they often have discussions regarding gambling and addiction. However laudible their stance is, they play adverts for various on-line gambling sites during the breaks. A bit of joined up thinking is needed, but then, perhaps gambling does pay after all, for some anyway.


Chris_L 5 5.2k United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 12:36PM
There are many activities that millions of people, but not all, enjoy without a problem. Gambling, including the National Lottery, is one of them. Drinking alcohol another.

Then there are the problem gamblers who bet their every penny in Sadblokes, or who buy scratchcards ten at a time.

There are shopaholics who get credit cards too easily and run up massive life-ruining debt.

There are kids with serious eating problems, the NHS is straining to cope with the diabetes epidemic. Some people are drinking far too much pop, eating far too much fast food and far too many chocolate bars.

Once you start banning sponsors whose products may cause problems in society you start to run out of options.

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JackAllTog Plus
10 5.7k 58 United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 2:26PM
Many bored or young people need a cause to define themselves, it seems ER is invogue at the moment protesting to organisations that actually already addressing the issue - even if slower than ER want.

Do ER laydown in front of south american loggers, or chineses strip mines or developing countries chemical pollution companies or Russian aging nuclear reactors? No they just get the train into london for a day out to say look at me.

In the good old days of greenpeace people put their lives on the line and addressed the difficult problems directly at source.


ER - If you want to do something get a camera and produce amazing, indepth, hard hitting documentaries worldwide on whats wrong. Stop just having tantrums in the street and hoping someone else will make more butterflies and unicorns appear.
Start helping humans get better, Stop hating humans you don't like.

gcarth Plus
15 3.2k 1 United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 2:27PM

Quote:Once you start banning sponsors whose products may cause problems in society you start to run out of options.

Yes. However, I think there should be much tighter restrictions on gambling. The Blair so-called Labour government of 1997 have a lot to answer for when they introduced the 2005 deregulating Gambling Act.


Quote:Whilst agreeing that something needs to be done to prevent a global environmental disaster....but not in the way demonstrated this week.

Yes: I'm very much in favour of the Extinction Rebellion but I can't quite reconcile my empathy with the need to keep highways clear for emergencies.
All I can say is that if Governments listened more and made serious commitments to combating climate change. For instance, the government should not even think about building another runway at Heathrow.

I just wish the Extinction movement, with their massive numbers, would make a two pronged attack - not just on climate change but on the corruption among big business and politicians.
SlowSong Plus
11 8.3k 30 England
8 Oct 2019 3:03PM

Quote:Once you start banning sponsors whose products may cause problems in society you start to run out of options.
The irony in my point being, in the middle of discussions about the evils of gambling, they play adverts for ........ you guessed it.

They could at least have held off until a discussion on another topic came along, say, Brexit, but then we'd all be scurrying off to the booze cupboard. You can't win. Smile
capto Plus
7 5.8k 12 United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 3:34PM
The only fix for most problems facing the world today is one that very few will mention...................Reduce the world population considerably and keep large areas of the world uninhabited to allow nature to do it's own thing.
The protesters could make a start by agreeing not to have any children. This would be better than alienating the rest of the population.
JackAllTog Plus
10 5.7k 58 United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 3:52PM

Quote:The only fix for most problems facing the world today is one that very few will mention...................Reduce the world population considerably and keep large areas of the world uninhabited to allow nature to do it's own thing.

Isn't that Thanos's philosophy in the recent Marvel films.
hobbo Plus
8 1.3k 2 England
8 Oct 2019 4:10PM
Another factor, is that the majority of humans are totally out of touch with Nature, the Seasons and Time , the once natural rhythm of life vanished long ago.
The stars and planets are near invisible owing to light pollution, the skies are filled with kerosene fumes, and the farmland scattered and sprayed with goodness know what.

The so called protesters have none of this at heart, their aim is revolution, to destroy existing governments.....to be replaced with what and who?

A Pol-Pot ?..... a chairman mao ?...... a committee ?..... scattering of communes, each with its own chief wizard and witchdoctor..... another mugabe perhaps?

Utopia folks is just around the next corner ...... it is definitely in the Stars ........that ER will create it tomorrow.....

Saunters off, stage left , whistling Colonel Bogey.........
JackAllTog Plus
10 5.7k 58 United Kingdom
8 Oct 2019 4:31PM


Gambling -
You are not allowed a credit card with a bad credit rating.
Seems to me like a very similar check would deter problem gamblers - and all other gambling could be illegal like loansharks.

8 Oct 2019 8:18PM
Gambling- There are many reasons for someone to become an addict - of anything, the cause needs to be treated rather than the outlet but saying that, do gambling institutions make it easier for people with an addiction to exacerbate a problem, yes; should they be regulated/held responsible - yes, to some degree. Are they totally responsible for an addict, no. IMHO.

Extinction rebellion:

Quote:Do ER laydown in front of south american loggers, or chineses strip mines or developing countries chemical pollution companies or Russian aging nuclear reactors? No they just get the train into london for a day out to say look at me.
they probably will at some point Wink


Quote: bored or young people
I think its people who actually give a damn - young people in particular as it will affect them more - why shouldn't they be motivated, its not like generations before them have had much influence or care enough to do something. Sitting around talking about it on an internet forum doesn't get much done! Grin

Extinction rebellion is relatively new but young people in other countries have historically been fighting for their futures as well as everyone elses. Just because Extinction Rebellion is an inconvenience to some doesn't mean to say that local communities haven't been fighting back against things like pollution the reason its in the news now is because of events like this. You wont see much else of what they do on the news because most media outlets are owned by a small group of people with their own interests at heart. Which is the only good thing about social media.

Did you know that over million people protested in Bolivia a few days ago, wasn't on the news?



Quote:The so called protesters have none of this at heart, their aim is revolution, to destroy existing governments.....to be replaced with what and who?


Nothing of the sort,
Extinction Rebellion
Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.


Quote:A Pol-Pot ?..... a chairman mao ?...... a committee ?..... scattering of communes, each with its own chief wizard and witchdoctor..... another mugabe perhaps?

Utopia folks is just around the next corner ...... it is definitely in the Stars ........that ER will create it tomorrow.....


IMHO its comments like this is why we are where we are today, because some generations still think climate change is a joke.

When Prince Charles was talking about plastic bottles vs glass, they laughed - what happened - seas clogged with plastic threatening whole species.

When he and others talked about wars because of climate change they laughed, where are we now - people being displaced because of climate change and forced together - that creates conflict.






hobbo Plus
8 1.3k 2 England
8 Oct 2019 8:51PM
As the original poster.....I began by supporting the climate change issues, what followed are views from hopefully....a wise old head, that has seen lots of water go under the bridge.

As a 1940s kid, my contemporaries and I had very little..... sans sweets, sans sugar, sans toys, sans square meals, sans soft toilet paper, sans ready meals, sans Fast food, sans debit and credit cards, sans phones of any kind, sans fathers, brothers, cousins, sisters ( because they were fighting to defend us/you , or, working for the war effort....

Recycling ? It was called Salvage, every school had rows of salvage sacks,

If you arenít of our age then please donít tell us how we should think or act, our generation suffered owing to horrendous forces..... the generations before us suffered even more for the freedoms you abuse and use today.

In the event of a global catastrophe .....WE would be the wise old heads you would turn to for advice and guidance..... because, if the plug is pulled on your phone and internet connections, you will panic, to run around like headless chickens.

We left school at 15, later 16 yrs to start work..... As a joiner I was making windows, doors and stairs, by the time I was called up to do my National Service, in Germany just 8 km from Bergen Belsen.....

Please donít patronise us......we all havenít left the stage yet......

Exits Stage Right....whistling...Colonel Bogey
8 Oct 2019 8:57PM
Older doesn’t necessarily mean wiser sorry, otherwise we wouldn’t be here your generation would have been wise enough to fix it or not allow it to happen in the first place.

People have had enough, enough of inaction, enough of governments beholden to greedy corporations.


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