Global Warming.....Climate Strike by school pupils today..... are they being wound up?
I take fully on board that ...Global Warming and Climate Changes caused by it are more than serious concerns....but.....
Is it right to rabble rouse, school pupils as they intent to today in Bristol? .... Young people are all too easy to get over excited ,whether by the presence of a Boy Band, or the chance to bunk off school to cause potential mayhem,,and possible danger to themselves or other members of the public....never mind the potential for a Corona -Virus scare, or spread.
All of them including the organisers, conveniently forget that they all rely on mobile phones or tablets to access social media.... their precious a Internet relies on ( how many ?) hundreds of satellites all of which have punched a hole in the Ozone and other preciously thin layers protecting this Earth of ours from radiation and junk falling from Space. I am pretty certain too that most are delivered to school by a vehicle of some kind. Many too are quite happy to get their throw-away-tomorrow, leisure clothes from Primark and other cheap outlets. Lots, too will have just returned from half-term holidays abroad.....
Would they, or their organisers know how to cope if all those satellites failed to deliver, their daily fix of screen-time?
I open this as a sensible debate, because Global Warming is a very real threat to all of us....
We photographers rely on all that technology too..... we all need to think about Earth’s precious resources....
Don’t we ?
Hobbo
Quote:I open this as a sensible debate, because Global Warming is a very real threat to all of us....
It is a threat to us all, but you start by patronising young people. I think you'll find that young people are more clued up about climate change than you give them credit for.
Here is a starter on the technology front - dont use Google use Ecosia , doing good work at the moment.
The climate change issue, we are told, is a singular consumer based issue. Climate change protests have been happening for years, involving all generations because it is a cause that unites us all. However, in recent years the focus on single use plastics and individual carbon emissions has taken forefront of the argument. It is important that we as individuals reduce our reliance on unsustainable methods but these protests aim to hold those in power accountable. Like governments, oil tycoons, and big business; who are some of the largest benefactors of climate change, financially, why would they care? They are profiting of climate change.
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Quote:I open this as a sensible debate, because Global Warming is a very real threat to all of us....
It is a threat to us all, but you start by patronising young people. I think you'll find that young people are more clued up about climate change than you give them credit for.
Done to initiate this very important debate.... please take on board that I come from a generation that existed on wartime rations, had minimum new clothes, no cosmetics whatsoever, no holidays, were, as 12 year olds taken out of school to go ...Potato Picking or Mangold Cutting on local farms.... re-cycling was top of the school and home agenda.... with huge salvage sacks placed at strategic intervals.
At the age of many sixth formers today.... 18 yr olds were conscripted to become pilots, navigators or serve in any branch of the services. I am a local historian, who gives presentations and has done in-depth research into a local Heavy-Anti-Aircraft Gun Site, where 18-25 year old ATS girls operated the Predictors, Height-finders and the ten, top secret radar.
My approach to this will be influenced by my generational background.... so you see...
We have been there and done that......
Survived against all odds with very little..... would current generations be up to it?
I work in a school; in fact I have done for about sixteen years and I'm quite sure that if our students were offered the chance to take a day off to join a climate change/crisis (delete as appropriate) rally, they'd jump at the chance.
Not because they care an iota about the future of the planet but because they'd see it as an excuse for a day off.
Not because they care an iota about the future of the planet but because they'd see it as an excuse for a day off.
Quote:I work in a school; in fact I have done for about sixteen years and I'm quite sure that if our students were offered the chance to take a day off to join a climate change/crisis (delete as appropriate) rally, they'd jump at the chance.
Not because they care an iota about the future of the planet but because they'd see it as an excuse for a day off.
Agree absolutely. I was a secondary school Geography teacher for 37 years and in my experience most of my pupils didn't give a damn about climate change because they knew it was normal - we've had 4 Ice Ages so far, what better evidence is there that climate change is normal and will happen whether homo sapiens is here or not.
During your 37 years as a Geography teacher ( how apposite!) did you take your pupils to the homes of people whose homes had been engulfed by rising river levels? Did you make them aware of the increasing melting of the arctic and antarctic? And the enormity of the increasing fires raging in areas such as Western America and Eastern Australia? I doubt you did as they were not happening. My memories of some 40 years ago was Eastern America being brought to a stand still because of deep snow. Has there been any this year? I am totally dumbfounded that a anyone could be so unaware of the effects we are now suffering in this country alone let alone world wide.
And as someone with 13 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren I can only applaud the activity and concern that young people have - talking to them shatters the views of you (Seahawk) and Hobbo. Their attitudes are what got us into this mess.
And as someone with 13 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren I can only applaud the activity and concern that young people have - talking to them shatters the views of you (Seahawk) and Hobbo. Their attitudes are what got us into this mess.
Well said answersonapostcard and Angie.
I applaud what they're doing.
They do know about and understand climate change and want to ensure the best for their future and sustainability of resources (which let's face it was not on the radar of the 'older' generations). Of course some will see it as a day off.
Those schoolkids are standing up for what they believe in and not just sitting on their backsides and deriding others for bringing an issue to the forefront.
I applaud what they're doing.
They do know about and understand climate change and want to ensure the best for their future and sustainability of resources (which let's face it was not on the radar of the 'older' generations). Of course some will see it as a day off.
Those schoolkids are standing up for what they believe in and not just sitting on their backsides and deriding others for bringing an issue to the forefront.
Quote: I am pretty certain too that most are delivered to school by a vehicle of some kind. Many too are quite happy to get their throw-away-tomorrow, leisure clothes from Primark and other cheap outlets. Lots, too will have just returned from half-term holidays abroad.....
Though I disagree with your general criticism of today's youth, I think you are right to infer that we all need to be further educated and reminded that many of our everyday actions - even by 'green' citizens - are accelerating climate change.
The warnings were given in the 1970's that the planet was being over populated and little was being done to curb this. I remember a New Scientist article describing a future UK with a population of 10M, 100M and 1,000m. Even without having read the article, it is not difficult to imagine how much more attractive the 10M model was. There were a few protests etc in the 70's but little happened. Perhaps if young people then had protested harder more might have happened. Politicians try to avoid these difficult areas and go for short term results only. Action will only be effective if all of the key world leaders (including Trump) take part.
Yes they are being would up, they are unknowing pawns in a global shift from the fossil fuel economy.
The MO of all pressure groups is to gain critical mass through populism, it doesn't mean the cause is wrong but, politicising school children possibly into positions where criminal records will be attach to them might not be the best approach.
Yes as Hobbo says kids the world over have previously had to stand up early and get involved in many life and death campaigns, but typically those were lead by governments and national interest. Do mobile Kids, but also the rest of us too with holistic approaches to effecting change. Including sensible discussion about managing capacity.
Ice ages do come and go, and its i think presumptuous to imagine we can control all the causes of natural climate change given our current level of scientific capability.
I'd rather some of the kids instead got involved in novel scientific research in power and food alternatives.
In the software community open source means giving applications free to all; Imagine what might happen in medicine or power generation if patent free technology could help the whole world at once!
The MO of all pressure groups is to gain critical mass through populism, it doesn't mean the cause is wrong but, politicising school children possibly into positions where criminal records will be attach to them might not be the best approach.
Yes as Hobbo says kids the world over have previously had to stand up early and get involved in many life and death campaigns, but typically those were lead by governments and national interest. Do mobile Kids, but also the rest of us too with holistic approaches to effecting change. Including sensible discussion about managing capacity.
Ice ages do come and go, and its i think presumptuous to imagine we can control all the causes of natural climate change given our current level of scientific capability.
I'd rather some of the kids instead got involved in novel scientific research in power and food alternatives.
In the software community open source means giving applications free to all; Imagine what might happen in medicine or power generation if patent free technology could help the whole world at once!
Some of you get me all wrong......
I too applaud what they are doing because their case is a very just one, but all these and any other protests do, is create unrest and dissatisfaction ..... as I said, it is all too easy to wind up a crowd....... banner waving, making a racket and having a figurehead are all great fun, but they too do nothing, except to please the few who stand in the background doing the winding up.
Ok! I’m old.... soon to kick off this mortal coil..... but, should there be a very sudden global catastrophe and all those satellites fail..... they will be too busy attempting to survive within the melee.....sans screens, sans cash, sans almost everything until those who have really prepared return to pen and paper and to Shank’s Pony.
My generation and the ones before it ....had to rough it.....there was no choice; it was sink or swim, no matter who was in charge. It is all too easy to sit in a centrally heated room typing on a screen, as I am now.
But just try sitting in the most basic of social housing, in a bombed out shell, or in an air-raid shelter....as I and most of my contemporaries did......we learned to survive, with spirit and guts.
We didn’t absent ourselves from school to protest, we joined the. cubs/Scouts/Guides/Services Cadets or Church Youth Group .... where we learned self sufficiency and survival first hand.... seek out a shiny-eyed semi-fit 80-90 year old, we still have the ability to take most set backs, right on the chin.
Sadly those named groups are sneered at by many today..... or....the pc brigade have ruined them.
Just ask yourself..... if the lights REALLY do go out...... what will YOU do ...or...be capable of doing ?
Those protesting children of today will require care and guidance to get them through, never mind rationing, shortages and Emergency controls.....or.....might there be the miracle of a sudden...UTOPIA.... where the sun always shines and all needs are met ?
The current Global emergency is a very real one.... I recognise that fully.
We have been there, and done that.
I too applaud what they are doing because their case is a very just one, but all these and any other protests do, is create unrest and dissatisfaction ..... as I said, it is all too easy to wind up a crowd....... banner waving, making a racket and having a figurehead are all great fun, but they too do nothing, except to please the few who stand in the background doing the winding up.
Ok! I’m old.... soon to kick off this mortal coil..... but, should there be a very sudden global catastrophe and all those satellites fail..... they will be too busy attempting to survive within the melee.....sans screens, sans cash, sans almost everything until those who have really prepared return to pen and paper and to Shank’s Pony.
My generation and the ones before it ....had to rough it.....there was no choice; it was sink or swim, no matter who was in charge. It is all too easy to sit in a centrally heated room typing on a screen, as I am now.
But just try sitting in the most basic of social housing, in a bombed out shell, or in an air-raid shelter....as I and most of my contemporaries did......we learned to survive, with spirit and guts.
We didn’t absent ourselves from school to protest, we joined the. cubs/Scouts/Guides/Services Cadets or Church Youth Group .... where we learned self sufficiency and survival first hand.... seek out a shiny-eyed semi-fit 80-90 year old, we still have the ability to take most set backs, right on the chin.
Sadly those named groups are sneered at by many today..... or....the pc brigade have ruined them.
Just ask yourself..... if the lights REALLY do go out...... what will YOU do ...or...be capable of doing ?
Those protesting children of today will require care and guidance to get them through, never mind rationing, shortages and Emergency controls.....or.....might there be the miracle of a sudden...UTOPIA.... where the sun always shines and all needs are met ?
The current Global emergency is a very real one.... I recognise that fully.
We have been there, and done that.
Has it been cooler since 1953?
Half the problems in the U.K. are due to building on flood plains and failing to dredge the rivers.
Half the problems in the U.K. are due to building on flood plains and failing to dredge the rivers.
Quote:Half the problems in the U.K. are due to building on flood plains and failing to dredge the rivers.
I think that those are exactly the reasons for much of the current and recent flooding but floods have been a part of the weather pattern in this country, certainly for the whole of my life.
