Is there really much anti-Semitism in the UK?

I don't pretend to know the definitive answer to this but wondered what others think. Of course, any anti-Semitism is too much and should not be tolerated. However, is there a truly accepted and consistent criteria in regard to what constitutes anti-Semitism?

I don't pretend to know the definitive answer to this but wondered what others think.
Of course, any anti-Semitism is too much and should not be tolerated. However, is there a truly accepted and consistent criteria in regard to what constitutes anti-Semitism?

Our nearest synagogue in Exeter was fire-bombed a few months back and the graves in the Jewish cemetery get daubed with graffiti on a frequent basis! Sadly, the answer must be "yes".

Our nearest synagogue in Exeter was fire-bombed a few months back and the graves in the Jewish cemetery get daubed with graffiti on a frequent basis!

Sadly, the answer must be "yes".

[quote]Our nearest synagogue in Exeter was fire-bombed a few months back and the graves in the Jewish cemetery get daubed with graffiti on a frequent basis! Sadly, the answer must be "yes".[/quote]Yes. I remember reading of that horrific incident but had forgotten it was in Exeter. :(

Quote:Our nearest synagogue in Exeter was fire-bombed a few months back and the graves in the Jewish cemetery get daubed with graffiti on a frequent basis!

Sadly, the answer must be "yes".
Yes. I remember reading of that horrific incident but had forgotten it was in Exeter.

Hi GC Yes ! It’s me again..... Had you been around when the first newsreels and press photographs taken during and after the liberation nazi death camps you might realise that your subject is a pretty insensitive one on today of all days.... Holocaust Memorial Day... Should anyone not be sure in their mind about this, can I refer them to the More 4 program ....Night Must Fall ...being shown this evening at 9 pm. My own experience enters this discussion here......because , during National Service in Germany between 1556 and 1958, my regiment was stationed just a few km away from Bergen Belsen.... just 11 years after the nazis were beaten, the Bergen Belsen site was a mess of huge muddy mounds, each one featuring a sign roughly painted with something like... herein bist 12000 TOTE ..... or 12000 DEAD. Mangled, emaciated naked bodies, jumbled together to be bulldozed into huge pits, to be covered in quicklime.....not one pit.....but many pits. I also worked alongside an ex inmate of Bergen Belsen who was quite happy to show us the prisoner number tattooed on his arm .... he worked in the Regimental Joiners shop, painting signs. Those two visits to Bergen Belsen have had a lasting effect on me.... Please, anyone reading this...... watch the program on More 4 this evening.... Then return here tomorrow to discuss what you make of current thinking. Hobbo

Hi GC

Yes ! It’s me again.....

Had you been around when the first newsreels and press photographs taken during and after the liberation nazi death camps you might realise that your subject is a pretty insensitive one on today of all days.... Holocaust Memorial Day...
Should anyone not be sure in their mind about this, can I refer them to the More 4 program ....Night Must Fall ...being shown this evening at 9 pm.

My own experience enters this discussion here......because , during National Service in Germany between 1556 and 1958, my regiment was stationed just a few km away from Bergen Belsen.... just 11 years after the nazis were beaten, the Bergen Belsen site was a mess of huge muddy mounds, each one featuring a sign roughly painted with something like... herein bist 12000 TOTE ..... or 12000 DEAD.
Mangled, emaciated naked bodies, jumbled together to be bulldozed into huge pits, to be covered in quicklime.....not one pit.....but many pits.

I also worked alongside an ex inmate of Bergen Belsen who was quite happy to show us the prisoner number tattooed on his arm .... he worked in the Regimental Joiners shop, painting signs.

Those two visits to Bergen Belsen have had a lasting effect on me....

Please, anyone reading this...... watch the program on More 4 this evening....

Then return here tomorrow to discuss what you make of current thinking.

Hobbo

[quote]Please, anyone reading this...... watch the program on More 4 this evening.... Then return here tomorrow to discuss what you make of current thinking. [/quote]I will do that, Hobbo. I do believe that we need to be reminded of the horrors of the holocaust and perhaps political leaders need to be reminded more than the rest of us...:(

Quote:Please, anyone reading this...... watch the program on More 4 this evening....

Then return here tomorrow to discuss what you make of current thinking.

I will do that, Hobbo. I do believe that we need to be reminded of the horrors of the holocaust and perhaps political leaders need to be reminded more than the rest of us...

Personally I think there has been some fudging of the lines between anti-semitism and the unhappiness over the way that the government of Israel has treated the problem of the Palestinians - a problem which was created shortly after the first World War by the League of Nations, without any consultation with Palestinian Arabs, but giving Palestinian to Great Britain to administer. The holocaust created a need for a homeland for Jewish people and thereby hangs the foundations of this whole enormous problem. Further history here https://www.un.org/unispal/history/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/

Personally I think there has been some fudging of the lines between anti-semitism and the unhappiness over the way that the government of Israel has treated the problem of the Palestinians - a problem which was created shortly after the first World War by the League of Nations, without any consultation with Palestinian Arabs, but giving Palestinian to Great Britain to administer. The holocaust created a need for a homeland for Jewish people and thereby hangs the foundations of this whole enormous problem. Further history here

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/

[quote]Personally I think there has been some fudging of the lines between anti-semitism and the unhappiness over the way that the government of Israel has treated the problem of the Palestinians - a problem which was created shortly after the first World War by the League of Nations, without any consultation with Palestinian Arabs, but giving Palestinian to Great Britain to administer. The holocaust created a need for a homeland for Jewish people and thereby hangs the foundations of this whole enormous problem. Further history here[/quote]. Completely agree.

Quote:Personally I think there has been some fudging of the lines between anti-semitism and the unhappiness over the way that the government of Israel has treated the problem of the Palestinians - a problem which was created shortly after the first World War by the League of Nations, without any consultation with Palestinian Arabs, but giving Palestinian to Great Britain to administer. The holocaust created a need for a homeland for Jewish people and thereby hangs the foundations of this whole enormous problem. Further history here
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Completely agree.

In answer to the original question - yes, mostly in the Labour Party (or so it would seem!)

In answer to the original question - yes, mostly in the Labour Party (or so it would seem!)

[quote]In answer to the original question - yes, mostly in the Labour Party (or so it would seem!)[/quote]I'm glad you added "or so it would seem" because it is in fact a myth spread by the media that there is rampant anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. Studies have shown that there is actually more anti-Semitism in the Conservative Party and the right wing, generally. Anyway, putting politics to one side, I believe that anti-Semitism [i]is[/i] a problem and always has been - but not particularly in the Labour Party. I think Tianshi_Angie summed up the roots of the current problem very well. However, Jews have always been persecuted even centuries before the League of Nations. In York, for example, the entire Jewish population was slaughtered in 1190 AD. This was apparently due to a theological conflict between Christian churchmen and Jewish scholars. Another reason for resentment was that money lending was only permitted to Jews but not Christians. This scenario seems to have been repeated across much of the globe over the centuries.

Quote:In answer to the original question - yes, mostly in the Labour Party (or so it would seem!)
I'm glad you added "or so it would seem" because it is in fact a myth spread by the media that there is rampant anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. Studies have shown that there is actually more anti-Semitism in the Conservative Party and the right wing, generally.

Anyway, putting politics to one side, I believe that anti-Semitism is a problem and always has been - but not particularly in the Labour Party.
I think Tianshi_Angie summed up the roots of the current problem very well.
However, Jews have always been persecuted even centuries before the League of Nations. In York, for example, the entire Jewish population was slaughtered in 1190 AD. This was apparently due to a theological conflict between Christian churchmen and Jewish scholars. Another reason for resentment was that money lending was only permitted to Jews but not Christians.
This scenario seems to have been repeated across much of the globe over the centuries.

MORE4 TV at 9:00 pm tonight..... you may think differently....... afterward? Labour/Conservative or whoever..... does it bloody matter? For goodness sake! Respect!

MORE4 TV at 9:00 pm tonight..... you may think differently....... afterward?

Labour/Conservative or whoever..... does it bloody matter?


For goodness sake!


Respect!

[quote]Labour/Conservative or whoever..... does it bloody matter[/quote] Of course it matters

Quote:Labour/Conservative or whoever..... does it bloody matter

Of course it matters

I just meant whoever is anti `Semitic is wrong....not that it didn’t matter....apologies

I just meant whoever is anti `Semitic is wrong....not that it didn’t matter....apologies

[quote]MORE4 TV at 9:00 pm tonight ..... you may think differently....... afterward?[/quote]Well, with much trepidation, I sat down to watch "The Night Must Fall". I expected to see some truly horrific scenes because I've already seen quiet a lot of awful footage of these prison camps over the years (in various WW2 films) but this film really didn't hold back. I had to turn away much of the time. Did I think differently afterwards? No. The film simply went into more gory detail than most accounts of the Holocaust but it certainly didn't make me feel any differently. It should be obvious to anyone in their right mind how appalling this whole Nazi dogma is. Sadly, genocides still happen on a fairly regular basis today. Holocaust Memorial Day (HMD) takes place each year on [b]27 January[/b] and I see that it has also been declared a time to remember the millions of people murdered in the genocides which followed the Nazi horrors, in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur. The inclusion of Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur is of course appropriate. However, I think there is a glaring hypocrisy here in that the genocides committed by the Chinese, Russians, US and UK etc. are not included - not that we should be surprised... We clearly have not learned anything since the Nazis.

Quote:MORE4 TV at 9:00 pm tonight ..... you may think differently....... afterward?
Well, with much trepidation, I sat down to watch "The Night Must Fall". I expected to see some truly horrific scenes because I've already seen quiet a lot of awful footage of these prison camps over the years (in various WW2 films) but this film really didn't hold back. I had to turn away much of the time.
Did I think differently afterwards? No. The film simply went into more gory detail than most accounts of the Holocaust but it certainly didn't make me feel any differently. It should be obvious to anyone in their right mind how appalling this whole Nazi dogma is.
Sadly, genocides still happen on a fairly regular basis today.
Holocaust Memorial Day (HMD) takes place each year on 27 January and I see that it has also been declared a time to remember the millions of people murdered in the genocides which followed the Nazi horrors, in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur.
The inclusion of Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur is of course appropriate. However, I think there is a glaring hypocrisy here in that the genocides committed by the Chinese, Russians, US and UK etc. are not included - not that we should be surprised...

We clearly have not learned anything since the Nazis.

[quote]In answer to the original question - yes, mostly in the Labour Party (or so it would seem!)[/quote] Here's the thing - "so it would seem". So, who are you getting this from? Actual knowledge of anti-semitism by members of the Labour party, or the pro-Tory BBC news ? I have to admit, during the run up to the election, I was at a complete loss as to who to believe, as there were literally no explanations of what anyone had done to earn this label. I'm not saying it doesn't exists in the Labour party, just wanting to be educated by someone who actually knows. And by this, I mean anti-semitism, not just criticism of the Israeli Government. As to whether it exists in the wider UK - of course it does. The one thing that Brexit has achieved is showing us how many vile people there are in the UK.

Quote:In answer to the original question - yes, mostly in the Labour Party (or so it would seem!)


Here's the thing - "so it would seem". So, who are you getting this from? Actual knowledge of anti-semitism by members of the Labour party, or the pro-Tory BBC news ?

I have to admit, during the run up to the election, I was at a complete loss as to who to believe, as there were literally no explanations of what anyone had done to earn this label. I'm not saying it doesn't exists in the Labour party, just wanting to be educated by someone who actually knows. And by this, I mean anti-semitism, not just criticism of the Israeli Government.

As to whether it exists in the wider UK - of course it does. The one thing that Brexit has achieved is showing us how many vile people there are in the UK.

EXIT !

EXIT !