It's tipping...
depends how many more from 'tother side also walk out
Its about time the toxic confrontational politics of this country was finished and we started having some groups more interested in the needs of the electorate and the country than those of their party and career
Its about time the toxic confrontational politics of this country was finished and we started having some groups more interested in the needs of the electorate and the country than those of their party and career
I agree Brian. The country's been drifting for too long. Earlier I mentioned business and the Tory Party. Business hates uncertainty. So a senior Tory brexiteer going round allegedly saying 'f*ck business' has you wondering about the intentions and actions of companies like Nissan and Honda.
One issue is the country voted to leave the EEC and some politicians are trying to prevent this happening.
If an employee tries not to do their job there is a mechanism to terminate their employment contract.
MP's who dislike the result of the referendum have only one honest option in a democracy rather than a dictatorship - to abstain from voting.
The EEC are playing difficult, most likely because if they made it easy Portugal and possibly others would move to leave the EEC.
There is a lot of nonsense about what the so called "cliff" means.
I was told yesterday by a "remainer" French wine would go up by 40% with no deal. He "shut up" when I said if if true which is most unlikely wine from USA, Australia, New Zealand, Chile etc will not go up - and could come down after new "EEC not allowed" new trade deals.
If our politicians do the job they have been instructed to do and we leave; French and Portuguese wine makers, Italian and French electrical goods makers and German car makers are not going to be very happy if the EEC does not do a deal which in general will change prices less than normal EEC/UK exchange rates over a 12 month period.
If an employee tries not to do their job there is a mechanism to terminate their employment contract.
MP's who dislike the result of the referendum have only one honest option in a democracy rather than a dictatorship - to abstain from voting.
The EEC are playing difficult, most likely because if they made it easy Portugal and possibly others would move to leave the EEC.
There is a lot of nonsense about what the so called "cliff" means.
I was told yesterday by a "remainer" French wine would go up by 40% with no deal. He "shut up" when I said if if true which is most unlikely wine from USA, Australia, New Zealand, Chile etc will not go up - and could come down after new "EEC not allowed" new trade deals.
If our politicians do the job they have been instructed to do and we leave; French and Portuguese wine makers, Italian and French electrical goods makers and German car makers are not going to be very happy if the EEC does not do a deal which in general will change prices less than normal EEC/UK exchange rates over a 12 month period.
Quote:One issue is the country voted to leave the EEC and some politicians are trying to prevent this happening.
If an employee tries not to do their job there is a mechanism to terminate their employment contract.
MP's who dislike the result of the referendum have only one honest option in a democracy rather than a dictatorship - to abstain from voting.
The EEC are playing difficult, most likely because if they made it easy Portugal and possibly others would move to leave the EEC.
There is a lot of nonsense about what the so called "cliff" means.
I was told yesterday by a "remainer" French wine would go up by 40% with no deal. He "shut up" when I said if if true which is most unlikely wine from USA, Australia, New Zealand, Chile etc will not go up - and could come down after new "EEC not allowed" new trade deals.
If our politicians do the job they have been instructed to do and we leave; French and Portuguese wine makers, Italian and French electrical goods makers and German car makers are not going to be very happy if the EEC does not do a deal which in general will change prices less than normal EEC/UK exchange rates over a 12 month period.
Not sure why you think an anti-Brexit MP is not doing their job. Their job is to represent their constituents. The area I live in voted to remain, and I would expect our MP to recognise that as their remit, not some dodgy non legally binding referendum.
(oh, and by the way, the referendum was to leave the EU, not the EEC)
Quote:Not sure why you think an anti-Brexit MP is not doing their job. Their job is to represent their constituents....
And primarily to represent their constituents' best interests, and those of the country.
Quite comical it it wasn't so serious... reminds me of that sketch in 'Life of Brian' where they are all arguing about which group they belong to ...ie the 'Judean People’s Front ', the 'People’s Front Of Judea' or the 'Judean People’s Popular Front' ! Maybe there should have been an 'Independent Judean Popular Peoples Front' !
I voted remain and personally I think that the cracks in our foundations are getting ever wider - lack of nurses, doctors, dentists, farm workers, care workers - all have gone home because of the uncertainty. But leaving all that aside the whole negotiation has been handled so badly - NOT with the interests of the UK at its heart but the fear of a serious split in the Tory party and trying to avoid that! Trying to keep the UKIP contingent in that party happy AND those who voted to remain was never going to work. As one of the Conservative leavers pointed out yesterday UKIP has seen off several Tory leaders in the past 20 years. The discussion and negotiation should have first got the problems ironed out by discussing this with ALL members of Parliament - how else could the wishes of the country be fulfilled? It has been a complete shambles from start to finish - and that includes the referendum itself.
Isn't this really a very large part of the problem?
Brexit is being handled by people who never wanted to leave in the first place. The horses got led to water but they aint drinking.
I'd personally like to send a thank you card to all those who voted 'Leave'. If you get one - don't thank me.
Brexit is being handled by people who never wanted to leave in the first place. The horses got led to water but they aint drinking.
I'd personally like to send a thank you card to all those who voted 'Leave'. If you get one - don't thank me.
Quote:Isn't this really a very large part of the problem?
Brexit is being handled by people who never wanted to leave in the first place. The horses got led to water but they aint drinking.
I'd personally like to send a thank you card to all those who voted 'Leave'. If you get one - don't thank me.
It doesn't matter who's handling it Keith.
Regardless of whether those doing so wanted to leave or otherwise, it was always going to be a mess.
As for representing their constituents and their best interests; presumably that's "best" in somebody's opinion, I don't think there's a single MP that can honestly lay claim to that.
Personally, I voted to leave and I'm just sitting back and waiting for it to happen. In fact, I don't even know upon which date that's supposed to take place.
One thing I do know though, is that on the following day, I shall get out of bed and I shan't see a single thing that's changed.
And neither, I suspect, will anyone else.
I have already seen the changes. I have waited 6 months for a simple operation which only three years ago I was seen within 4 weeks. My dental appointment has been cancelled the last three times as they didn't have a dentist. As for my GP's surgery 3 weeks at least before an appointment is available. (this may be because they are excellent doctors), but I suspect that surgeries nearby have lost GP's and everyone is moving to a surgery which has all of their doctors still. But there are already signs that problems are increasing - Honda, Nissan are already pulling out of the UK. Of course it is possible that they would have taken the same course if Brexit didn't exist but listening to the CEO of Honda he actually mentioned that the Brexit procedure would leave things for them less favourable. It was a consideration for them amongst others. Who knows what tipped the balance.
Are we to believe then, that medical professionals are fleeing the country in their droves because of Brexit, or is it, as is far more likely, that they're abandoning the NHS because they can make much more money in the private sector?
As for Honda's decision to pull out of Swindon, that will also have been brought about purely by their ability to make more money elsewhere and in every report that I've seen; although obviously not the one that you read, they quite specifically point out that their decision has nothing to do with Brexit.
The truth is, of course, that we'll never know.
As for Honda's decision to pull out of Swindon, that will also have been brought about purely by their ability to make more money elsewhere and in every report that I've seen; although obviously not the one that you read, they quite specifically point out that their decision has nothing to do with Brexit.
The truth is, of course, that we'll never know.
Well actually as far as the Honda decision is concerned - it came (as I said) from the CEO of Honda. The deal they had with the UK was now superceded by the deal they could get with the EU. If we were still part of the EU they would have no reason to leave.
As for medics - throughout the NHS - those who were from European countries have gone home. Their own economy is exceeding ours and the uncertainty of what would be left behind when Brexit happened left them afraid and uncertain - certainty was back home!
As for medics - throughout the NHS - those who were from European countries have gone home. Their own economy is exceeding ours and the uncertainty of what would be left behind when Brexit happened left them afraid and uncertain - certainty was back home!
