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chris.maddock 19 3.7k United Kingdom
6 Mar 2010 6:26AM

Quote:I don't seem to remember Gordon Brown being elected to the top job.



To be perfectly fair, neither was the last Conservative PM for his first term.

Major was, however, elected as leader of the Conservative Party, whilst Labour couldn't even manage to produce anyone to oppose Brown so he wasn't ever really elected as party leader.
gaelldew 13 377 United Kingdom
6 Mar 2010 11:15AM

Quote:Labour have created a police state. I will never forgive them for it. CCTV, freedom of speech, photography restrictions. Gordon has have created a 1960's eastern block style dictatorship. Brown and Mandelson are egotistic dictators, isn't that what the Labour party was set up to combat?


Yes, but will people remember whats gone on for the last few years come election day?
Toonman 14 1.4k 2 England
6 Mar 2010 11:22AM
No, if you take notice of recent polls.
cambirder 17 7.2k England
6 Mar 2010 11:34AM

Quote:Not, if you take notice of recent polls.


Or maybe our memories are long enough to remember the last Tory government. What ever the reason for them, I am mightily cheered by the fact that it looks like there is going to be no landslide, so that what's left of the awkward squad on the back benches might actually be able to keep whatever government comes to power from steam-rolling there agenda through.
filmforever 13 775
7 Mar 2010 7:52PM

Quote:. Brown and Mandelson are egotistic dictators, isn't that what the Labour party was set up to combat?


Agree totally.......just in case anyone's in any doubt about what Labour is up to.....the evil Stalin was a "socialist"......and even Hitler was the leader of the National SOCIALISTS....not Conservatives......he drew his support from the working class.
If we're not vigilant...it'll soon be necessary to have a "permit" to take pictures in London.
Don't believe me??....well, who would have believed a decade ago that we would have to pay £8 for the privelige of driving in Central London?....And who imposes this penalty?....an extreme left wing Socialist former Mayor, who is on record as saying "poor people don't drive cars!
cambirder 17 7.2k England
7 Mar 2010 9:00PM

Quote:just in case anyone's in any doubt about what Labour is up to.....the evil Stalin was a "socialist".....


The only problem with that analysis is that Stalin was not a socialist, and Labour government can no longer claim that description since Blair got into bed with that right wing idiot Bush.


Quote:and even Hitler was the leader of the National SOCIALISTS....not Conservatives......he drew his support from the working class.


You obviously have a very poor grasp of modern history, despite the name the Nazis were never socialists and drew support from across the classes. Apart from Goebbels the top brass all had middle class or upper class backgrounds.
Graywolf 13 1.0k United Kingdom
8 Mar 2010 7:09AM
Perhaps this is another example of political sleight of hand. Focus everyone's attention on outrageous proposals that the government don't care about, meanwhile the legislation they REALLY want passed gets quietly through, unobserved.
filmforever 13 775
8 Mar 2010 11:32AM

Quote:

You obviously have a very poor grasp of modern history, despite the name the Nazis were never socialists and drew support from across the classes. Apart from Goebbels the top brass all had middle class or upper class backgrounds.



One of the first acts the Nazis did was to arrest university professors, authors, public burnings of books from university libraries.....hardly the act of people from middle or upper class backgounds is it?...There has always been this tendency from people who sympathies are with the far left to want the Nazis to be right wing thugs...yet there's no getting away from the historical fact they(the Nazis) prided themselves on being national SOCIALISTS.

I'm not suggesting that Brown & co. are anywhere near as awful as this, but it's sometimes necessary to make comparisons to prove the point that the mindset is not that dissimilar...that is the desire to control everything.....Instead of using technology in a positive way, they use it to CONTROL....from tracking everyone's movements via CCTV and the Oyster Card, to persecuting the motorist....How soon before it is used to track photographers, to see if they have "permits" to photograph in London.....You think not?
Would you have believed 10 years ago you'd have to pay £8 to drive in Central London?
cambirder 17 7.2k England
8 Mar 2010 12:20PM

Quote:One of the first acts the Nazis did was to arrest university professors, authors, public burnings of books from university libraries.....hardly the act of people from middle or upper class backgounds is it?...



Hitler came from a middle class background, as did Himmler and Heydrich. Goering was most definitely upper class. Goebbels did come from a working class background but also had a doctorate from Heidelberg University so was well up the social class ladder by the time he joined the Nazi party.


Quote:There has always been this tendency from people who sympathies are with the far left to want the Nazis to be right wing thugs...yet there's no getting away from the historical fact they(the Nazis) prided themselves on being national SOCIALISTS.



Sorry, but the Nazis without doubt were right wing thugs, and they were also master liars and propagandists. The boot boys and enforcers of the early years were certainly recruited from the working classes who formed the paramilitary wing of the Nazis (SA) and there leader Röhm was certainly an anti capitalist who was in favour of mass nationalisation, but he was taken out in 1934 in the "night of the long knives" in a pact between the Nazi leadership the regular army and the wealthy industrialists who were bankrolling the party.

That they used the word Socialist in the party name was just one of the many lies they used to gain power.


Quote:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it. The
lie can be maintained only for such time as the
State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the
lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the
State to use all of its powers to repress dissent,
for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie,
and thus by extension, the truth is the
greatest enemy of the State."



Joseph Goebbels
strawman 17 22.2k 16 United Kingdom
8 Mar 2010 12:30PM
Filmforever if I may but in and ask you to do some research.


Quote:Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism), is the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany. It is a politically syncretic variety of fascism that incorporates policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism is a far right form of politics.


So their ideology spoke of incorporating elements from the far left and right, but their real world behaviour was of the far right.

Its life, you do not always get what is on the label Grin

And the other thing, is that not liking one extreme does not always mean you want the other.

Its like new labour, its not socialist either, its edged much closer to the centre ground. And its the reason all the parties are struggling is that they are all covering a small spectrum of policies. So it switches to personalities.

Oh for some actual policies and ideas to discuss.
Carabosse 18 41.5k 270 England
8 Mar 2010 12:46PM
The country's economy and the country generally is pretty much out of control!

What we witness are desperate, and arguably incompetent, attempts to bring some control back... usually by going for soft targets.

CCTV, speed cameras and the like are just observational tools which, ultimately, don't do anything. When it comes to the crunch the resources don't exist and/or cannot be afforded.
filmforever 13 775
8 Mar 2010 7:21PM

Quote:
CCTV, speed cameras and the like are just observational tools which, ultimately, don't do anything. When it comes to the crunch the resources don't exist and/or cannot be afforded.



Many motorists who have been "done" in the "Peoples Republic" of Camden by CCTV cameras in many of the streets for nothing more than stopping to drop an eldery relative off home, will strongly disagree with you that CCTV is only for "observation". Even taxi drivers have been fined for dropping off fares in Albert St and other streets in that area.
Carabosse 18 41.5k 270 England
8 Mar 2010 7:58PM
Yes but that hardly makes it a police state - they can only use these things on soft targets, e.g. motorists.

There simply aren't the resources for more general population control. Instead those who wish to control us, do so by relying on us to control each other by spreading that fear!
filmforever 13 775
8 Mar 2010 8:13PM

Quote:
Oh for some actual policies and ideas to discuss.



Well, I'll certainly agree with that!...It seems the word "Socialism" can be twisted around to mean anything anyone wants it to mean!....Are we to assume that Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung were also really right wing thugs!!??....The phrase "It's the wrong kind of snow comes to mind!
I had not intended to get into a deep argument about Nazis etc., but to emphasize the way that this Labour government seeks to "control" every aspect of our lives....It was ex-mayor Livingstone who first put it into peoples minds that photographers could well be paedophiles/terrorists etc., his dislike of photographers is only exceeded by his hatred of motorists, the rest is history/ the "congestion" charge/the increasing numbers of photographers being harrassed and even arrested. I don't think this would be happening under any other government than a Labour one.
Surely it must be apparent this is the thin end of the wedge?.....I applaud the mass gatherings (I'm a photographer not a terrorist) of protest, but I don't think this will be enough.
You would think, that our newspapers who employ photographers, would be at the forefront of protest at the way photographers (including some Press Photographers)
are being treated.......yet except for the Independent (who made a front page story out of it) and this week The Sunday Times in their colour magazine, the Press have been conspicuous by their silence on the matter.
Talk about sleepwalking into a police state!
cambirder 17 7.2k England
8 Mar 2010 8:38PM

Quote:Are we to assume that Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung were also really right wing thugs!!??


Now you are being as silly as suggesting the Nazis were socialists.

PS. I notice the congestion charge is still in place with Boris in charge. Perhaps he knows that the city will go into gridlock the minute its removed, so perhaps its a good idea after all. I certainly wish they would introduce it in Cambridge it would make cycling somewhat easier.

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