Photographers & Trespass

According to British Transport Police, who are trying to identify the two photographers clearly shown in this article, there were so many track side trespassers seeking to grab an image of The Flying Scotsman, 60 train services were delayed by 1000 minutes. [link=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48229400]Do you know these photographers?[/link] Are some photographers so selfish they do not care about how their actions affect other people in their quest for yet another image of The Flying Scotsman?

According to British Transport Police, who are trying to identify the two photographers clearly shown in this article, there were so many track side trespassers seeking to grab an image of The Flying Scotsman, 60 train services were delayed by 1000 minutes.
Do you know these photographers?
Are some photographers so selfish they do not care about how their actions affect other people in their quest for yet another image of The Flying Scotsman?

You forgot to mention the salient point of this article Future trips by the Flying Scotsman on the mainline rail network may be banned. Fortunatley I got some nice shots a couple of years ago when it visited The Bluebell Railway, where all the obvious vantage points were marshalled.

You forgot to mention the salient point of this article

Future trips by the Flying Scotsman on the mainline rail network may be banned.

Fortunatley I got some nice shots a couple of years ago when it visited The Bluebell Railway, where all the obvious vantage points were marshalled.

[quote]You forgot to mention the salient point of this article Future trips by the Flying Scotsman on the mainline rail network may be banned.[/quote] Salient? Surely the most important point of that article is that people are risking their and others lives by breaking the law just to get a photograph.

Quote:You forgot to mention the salient point of this article
Future trips by the Flying Scotsman on the mainline rail network may be banned.

Salient?
Surely the most important point of that article is that people are risking their and others lives by breaking the law just to get a photograph.

[quote]Surely the most important point of that article is that people are risking their and others lives by breaking the law just to get a photograph.[/quote] OK, valid & important comment but not how I interpreted the BBC headline & first paragraph [quote]Flying Scotsman trespassers spark track ban threat[/quote]

Quote:Surely the most important point of that article is that people are risking their and others lives by breaking the law just to get a photograph.


OK, valid & important comment but not how I interpreted the BBC headline & first paragraph

Quote:Flying Scotsman trespassers spark track ban threat

For me the salient point of the article is not the potential of a ban but the cause of the situation which brought the threat of a ban to the fore. It was the moronic, selfish activity of a few stubborn, ignorant photographers who trespassed onto the railway track and then refused to move when asked by British Transport Police. They are so stupid they don't even recognise or accept the danger they were in or the inconvenience of delaying trains caused to other people. The dimwits were trespassing on private land and could not care less. That is what bothers me. Does the Internet really need any more pics of the Flying Scotsman? Photographers are quick to defend their "rights" yet these muppets are quite happy to ignore the "rights" of others when it doesn't suit them. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

For me the salient point of the article is not the potential of a ban but the cause of the situation which brought the threat of a ban to the fore.

It was the moronic, selfish activity of a few stubborn, ignorant photographers who trespassed onto the railway track and then refused to move when asked by British Transport Police. They are so stupid they don't even recognise or accept the danger they were in or the inconvenience of delaying trains caused to other people.
The dimwits were trespassing on private land and could not care less. That is what bothers me.
Does the Internet really need any more pics of the Flying Scotsman?
Photographers are quick to defend their "rights" yet these muppets are quite happy to ignore the "rights" of others when it doesn't suit them. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Confiscate their anoraks and notebooks :P:P That'll teach them :D

Confiscate their anoraks and notebooks That'll teach them

[quote]Confiscate their anoraks and notebooks :P:P That'll teach them :D[/quote] Absolutely brilliant comment :P

Quote:Confiscate their anoraks and notebooks That'll teach them
Absolutely brilliant comment

[quote]Confiscate their anoraks and notebooks TongueTongue That'll teach them Grin[/quote] If you are having a dig at railway photographers (anoraks & notebooks) [yes I saw the tongue smilies], I think that you will find that the majority of the trespassers were Joe Public. True enthusiasts know the dangers and stay the right side of the fence. It is the general public who are ignorant and the media must bear some of the blame for giving the information out and whipping up the hysteria. What is so special about "Flying Scotsman"? There are plenty of other superior steam locos preserved that do not get this attention. End of rant!!!

Quote:Confiscate their anoraks and notebooks TongueTongue That'll teach them Grin


If you are having a dig at railway photographers (anoraks & notebooks) [yes I saw the tongue smilies], I think that you will find that the majority of the trespassers were Joe Public. True enthusiasts know the dangers and stay the right side of the fence. It is the general public who are ignorant and the media must bear some of the blame for giving the information out and whipping up the hysteria. What is so special about "Flying Scotsman"?

There are plenty of other superior steam locos preserved that do not get this attention.

End of rant!!!

[quote]The dimwits were trespassing on private land and could not care less. That is what bothers me.[/quote] Also, I think you will find that trespass upon the railway in the UK is a criminal offence, not a civil offence. The offenders should be prosecuted and the courts levy the statory £1,000 fine. Attached is a non-trespass shot of Flying Scotsman crossing the Royal Border Bridge at Berwick - upon - Tweed on Thursday evening, 9/5/2019. For those that don't know, Flying Scotsman is the leading locomotive. [epzimg]49944_1557685826.jpg[/epzimg]

Quote:The dimwits were trespassing on private land and could not care less. That is what bothers me.


Also, I think you will find that trespass upon the railway in the UK is a criminal offence, not a civil offence. The offenders should be prosecuted and the courts levy the statory £1,000 fine.

Attached is a non-trespass shot of Flying Scotsman crossing the Royal Border Bridge at Berwick - upon - Tweed on Thursday evening, 9/5/2019. For those that don't know, Flying Scotsman is the leading locomotive.

[quote]Also, I think you will find that trespass upon the railway in the UK is a criminal offence, not a civil offence. The offenders should be prosecuted and the courts levy the statory £1,000 fine.[/quote] What the law states: [quote]Railway Trespass Several summary offences deal with this (Stones 7-7041): Section 16 Railway Regulation Act 1840: it is an offence to wilfully trespass on any railway or premises connected therewith and to refuse to leave when asked to do so by any officer or agent of the railway company. 'Wilfulness' can be proved by the refusal to leave. The offence is punishable by one month's imprisonment Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868: this prohibits passage upon or across any railway line except for the purpose of crossing the line at an authorised point. A person commits an offence by so doing after having once received warning by the railway company, their servants or agents, to desist Section 55 British Transport Commission Act 1949: this penalises trespass on railway lines or property in dangerous proximity to such lines or electrical apparatus. Evidence is required of a notice exhibited at the station nearest the place of offence providing a clear public warning not to trespass on a railway. Punishable by a fine.[/quote]

Quote:Also, I think you will find that trespass upon the railway in the UK is a criminal offence, not a civil offence. The offenders should be prosecuted and the courts levy the statory £1,000 fine.


What the law states:


Quote:Railway Trespass

Several summary offences deal with this (Stones 7-7041):

Section 16 Railway Regulation Act 1840: it is an offence to wilfully trespass on any railway or premises connected therewith and to refuse to leave when asked to do so by any officer or agent of the railway company. 'Wilfulness' can be proved by the refusal to leave. The offence is punishable by one month's imprisonment
Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868: this prohibits passage upon or across any railway line except for the purpose of crossing the line at an authorised point. A person commits an offence by so doing after having once received warning by the railway company, their servants or agents, to desist
Section 55 British Transport Commission Act 1949: this penalises trespass on railway lines or property in dangerous proximity to such lines or electrical apparatus. Evidence is required of a notice exhibited at the station nearest the place of offence providing a clear public warning not to trespass on a railway. Punishable by a fine.

Interesting that a camera club member was complaining that after years associated with various railway groups and specific training their right to take photos trackside were suddenly with drawn without notice. Dave

Interesting that a camera club member was complaining that after years associated with various railway groups and specific training their right to take photos trackside were suddenly with drawn without notice.

Dave

[quote]Interesting that a camera club member was complaining that after years associated with various railway groups and specific training their right to take photos trackside were suddenly with drawn without notice. Dave[/quote] A typical case of the few spoiling it for the majority, perhaps?

Quote:Interesting that a camera club member was complaining that after years associated with various railway groups and specific training their right to take photos trackside were suddenly with drawn without notice.

Dave

A typical case of the few spoiling it for the majority, perhaps?

Thank you Saltireblue for providing the full text of the Statute for clarification.

Thank you Saltireblue for providing the full text of the Statute for clarification.

[quote]Thank you Saltireblue for providing the full text of the Statute for clarification.[/quote] I used to enforce those laws before transferring to Hants Constabulary...

Quote:Thank you Saltireblue for providing the full text of the Statute for clarification.

I used to enforce those laws before transferring to Hants Constabulary...

[quote]If you are having a dig at railway photographers (anoraks & notebooks) [yes I saw the tongue smilies], I think that you will find that the majority of the trespassers were Joe Public.[/quote] It's not just the train spotters that are frequently found on private land. I believe the bus depots have a similar problem from time to time :P [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvyBnzVpLBA]AS SEEN HERE[/link]

Quote:If you are having a dig at railway photographers (anoraks & notebooks) [yes I saw the tongue smilies], I think that you will find that the majority of the trespassers were Joe Public.


It's not just the train spotters that are frequently found on private land. I believe the bus depots have a similar problem from time to time
AS SEEN HERE