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13 Jan 2020 4:41PM
Guest editor could be charged with picking their image of the day as part of their selection process, and it could then automatically be put in a separate or the actual critique gallery

That way you could get some great images to learn techniques from

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Tianshi_angie 5 2.7k England
13 Jan 2020 4:57PM
I understand, Somnath, why have you have suggested this but I do think it might engender some difficulties. My own feeling is that what one person would consider 'the best of the day' (whether artistically or technically) another person wouldn't. So some hurdles at the beginning - take the discussion on the Countryfile Calendar each year - the views over which is the best photograph, the most appealing, whether or not it was a 'straight' image or has been 'caught' with some sleight of hand, there are always widely different views and our personal preferences vary between the twelve images. Viewing in a public gallery of images creates a wide variation on the pros and cons of any given image - listen to comments made by other visitors. So the choice of a picture to be discussed should be perhaps ad hoc - but I also think that some folk are not happy to have their work discussed and are simply, perfectly happy with 'I took it because it pleases me'. But perhaps I am being more pessimistic than in necessary.
dark_lord Plus
15 2.4k 609 England
13 Jan 2020 5:09PM
I don't think it's pessimism as such although i see your point Angie, it's that it's difficult to see in practice how this would work. Pessimism for want of another word, perhaps.

Going back to the title of this thread, if it's about discussion, then maybe a Discussion Gallery where you check a box and a 'D' appears just like M or V for mods and variations.
But then it all depends on people using it as intended and not posting 'nice pic' comments.
If it's about discussing an image constructively and offering suggestions, then the Critique Gallery already offers that and it's not the case that that Gallery is there for 'best' image or critique/discussion, it's there to help people, a learning zone.
Chris_L 6 5.4k United Kingdom
13 Jan 2020 5:46PM
I think it's very simple to implement, along the lines of what Avorphoto said where the person who picks winning images explains their thought process, but not just the judges.

Below the acclaimed images we would see comments along the lines of:

If you are learning photography and you are curious as to the reasons why this photograph works so well here are a few pointers to help you with your own work. The photographer has not only fired the shutter at the decisive moment but has chosen the perfect shutter speed to freeze the action. Time has been taken to compose the shot so that the objects of interest have been arranged around the frame in a way which is pleasing to the eye. The tree to the left acts as a natural frame and the gravel path, which first appears at the bottom right-hand corner, leads the eye naturally into the image.

If that sounds like Camera Club speak then that's good - I've learned a lot from observing good critique.

There's nothing to stop anybody writing something like the above below those images which have received plaudits. They could be marked as Good Critique, perhaps captioned Learning Tip or whatever.
emmaK22 Plus
8 157 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2020 8:35AM
Hi all,

It's an interesting idea from the OP.

We do have the awards gallery, which rounds up all the awarded photos from the day / week. However these photographers may not want their images to be the subject of deep discussion on their pros and cons. The award giver writing a little about why they've chosen that image below it though sounds like a nice idea.

I don't think it would be fair to single out an image and start discussing its merits and downfalls if the photographer hasn't said that they want this.

The critique gallery is the place where photographers who want feedback submit their images, so perhaps these photo discussions could take place within that gallery.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2119 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2020 8:43AM
This is a fascinating discussion, and I think it has touched on some important issues. Since ePHOTOzine founder Pete Bargh's retirement the site hasn't really had an Editor, someone from The Management prepared to dive in with critique on a regular basis. For me this has weakened the Gallery quite significantly.
14 Jan 2020 11:32AM

Quote:Hi all,

It's an interesting idea from the OP.

We do have the awards gallery, which rounds up all the awarded photos from the day / week. However these photographers may not want their images to be the subject of deep discussion on their pros and cons. The award giver writing a little about why they've chosen that image below it though sounds like a nice idea.

I don't think it would be fair to single out an image and start discussing its merits and downfalls if the photographer hasn't said that they want this.

The critique gallery is the place where photographers who want feedback submit their images, so perhaps these photo discussions could take place within that gallery.




I understand your point regarding critique and seeking feedback but I would say that an image is singled out if it is added to the gallery and given an award Emma. Is there not an option to choose not to receive awards? If not, maybe there is a case for that option thus removing the uploader from the potential scrutiny.
My viewpoint is that I would like to understand the good points of any image that warrants an award thus improving my eye because I have to say that some awards would not be my choice and an insight in to the awarders mind would be interesting.

emmaK22 Plus
8 157 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2020 12:34PM
Hi Arvorphoto,

There is the option to tick the 'no awards' box when you upload, removing the photo from both the HC/EC process and user awards.
Chris_L 6 5.4k United Kingdom
14 Jan 2020 2:23PM
IIRC At the moment allowing critique means foregoing awards, that's barmy?

As for critique, it should be opt out not opt in and you shouldn't be able to compete for awards (and perhaps votes) if you aren't prepared to have your work critiqued.

Thousands of members, many striving to improve their photography, and ePz galleries full of world class photographs that aforesaid are unable to learn from. There must be a solution?
saltireblue Plus
9 10.1k 45 Norway
14 Jan 2020 2:41PM

Quote:IIRC At the moment allowing critique means foregoing awards, that's barmy?

Only if you upload an image to the Critique Gallery, which is a 'specialised' area of the galleries intended for those looking for specific help with their images, or to improve in one or several areas of their photography.
Otherwise, all images uploaded to the main gallery can be critiqued, as it indeed states in the site's T&Cs:

Quote:I9. All photos displayed in the ePHOTOzine Gallery are open for other members to comment and critique. We have a wide range of personalities and abilities, so please accept comments and views of other members without retaliation if you don't agree.

Quite a few of the members I follow allow modifications on their uploads in the main gallery so that they can have other eyes look at their image and suggest alternatives and variations. That is a form of critique...



14 Jan 2020 2:53PM

Quote:
Quote:IIRC At the moment allowing critique means foregoing awards, that's barmy?

Only if you upload an image to the Critique Gallery, which is a 'specialised' area of the galleries intended for those looking for specific help with their images, or to improve in one or several areas of their photography.
Otherwise, all images uploaded to the main gallery can be critiqued, as it indeed states in the site's T&Cs:

Quote:I9. All photos displayed in the ePHOTOzine Gallery are open for other members to comment and critique. We have a wide range of personalities and abilities, so please accept comments and views of other members without retaliation if you don't agree.

Quite a few of the members I follow allow modifications on their uploads in the main gallery so that they can have other eyes look at their image and suggest alternatives and variations. That is a form of critique...







So that would make it quite possible for an award giver to write a little about why they've chosen a particular image and potential improvements to get from good to great
And also be a 'forum' for both the image taker and those studying the image to improve their skills be it technical or artistic.

Daryl
Chris_L 6 5.4k United Kingdom
14 Jan 2020 9:59PM
Interesting to see the rule you are quoting Satire Blue because that doesn't really go with Emma saying "photographers may not want their images to be the subject of deep discussion on their pros and cons" and "I don't think it would be fair to single out an image and start discussing its merits and downfalls if the photographer hasn't said that they want this.The critique gallery is the place where photographers who want feedback submit their images" and it seems Avorphoto and yourself are right that it's fine to critique away.
Chris_L 6 5.4k United Kingdom
14 Jan 2020 10:01PM
Can anyone explain why if you seek Critique by posting in the Critique Gallery does that bar you from getting awards and votes in order that you can gauge the general response to your image?
KarenFB Plus
13 5.3k 175 England
15 Jan 2020 5:00AM
I think having the Critique Gallery as a non-award/vote area is good.

Some folk don't enter their images in that area because they won't get votes, this gives a smaller selection for the Critique Team to work on. They work very hard as it is (a lot of times they don't get a 'thanks', let alone any kind of feedback!). If folk could get in depth critique AND votes, it would make this area far too big for the team to cover as fully as they do. We can all give our opinions on every photo, but most folk are happy to 'vote' and pass on by - do we really want this in the Critique Gallery too?

Just an opinion, but I feel it needs to be kept as it is!

P.S. You can always upload the same image into the 'Photo Gallery' before/after your Critique and gauge response then! Wink
Chris_L 6 5.4k United Kingdom
15 Jan 2020 5:07AM

Quote:I feel it needs to be kept as it is!
I never suggested changing it, I just want to know why it was done like that in the first place

Quote:You can always upload the same image into the 'Photo Gallery' before/after your Critique and gauge response then
Be careful you might encourage too many people to use the Critique area if you show them how to get Critique AND Votes Tongue

Quote:If folk could get in depth critique AND votes, it would make this area far too big for the team to cover as fully as they do
How often do you invite people to join the Critique Team?

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