Photoshop issues and the brilliance of the Jasc PSP7 platform.

I've had about 11 different versions of Photoshop over the years and always had at least one issue with each version. Usually APS will crash or freeze your system when it encounters a problem. Even today on my system with 8 gig of memory, 4 gig graphics and quad core processor APS will still encounter problems. Same issues with Adobe Premiere for video editing, lots of issues and TBH I no longer rate any of Adobe's products. I'm currently operating Win7 64bit because win10 IMO is shockingly poor with graphics and video. I tried it and it was off my computer within a week then back to win7. There is only one program that I've used over the years especially for my sepia restoration work that has never crashed in 22 years of operation and it still installs on windows 7. That product is Jasc paint shop pro 7 which Corel now own. Corel based their later packages on the Jasc platform and improved it. However, I still use JPSP7 because it has everything I need and will install on any windows based computer including win 2000, XP, Millenium, WIn7, Win8 and Win10. If you can find a copy - get one, its bomb proof.

I've had about 11 different versions of Photoshop over the years and always had at least one issue with each version. Usually APS will crash or freeze your system when it encounters a problem.
Even today on my system with 8 gig of memory, 4 gig graphics and quad core processor APS will still encounter problems. Same issues with Adobe Premiere for video editing, lots of issues and TBH I no longer rate any of Adobe's products.
I'm currently operating Win7 64bit because win10 IMO is shockingly poor with graphics and video. I tried it and it was off my computer within a week then back to win7.
There is only one program that I've used over the years especially for my sepia restoration work that has never crashed in 22 years of operation and it still installs on windows 7. That product is Jasc paint shop pro 7 which Corel now own. Corel based their later packages on the Jasc platform and improved it. However, I still use JPSP7 because it has everything I need and will install on any windows based computer including win 2000, XP, Millenium, WIn7, Win8 and Win10. If you can find a copy - get one, its bomb proof.

Never had a problem with any version of Photoshop. But I did abandon Premiere a long while ago.

Never had a problem with any version of Photoshop.

But I did abandon Premiere a long while ago.

Same as CB, I had various versions of PS over many years and never once did I experience it crashing or freezing.

Same as CB, I had various versions of PS over many years and never once did I experience it crashing or freezing.

[quote]Same as CB, I had various versions of PS over many years and never once did I experience it crashing or freezing.[/quote] It depends what you use them for and the amount of ram you use during processing. I've known many different people have issues where the program doesn't like the memory type or the processor or the motherboard. Sometimes it's just buggy and when we used it on XP we got the blue screen of death quite often. The biggest issue in my opinion is when you are approaching memory limits. Instead of the warning you get on Corel PSP7 and PSP, it tends to freeze you out or lock up. The last version I had was too slow, it buffered on files larger than 50meg and sometimes that is where the memory cache is set in the program and sometimes there is issues with processor cache latency. The most stable APS IMO was 6 from way back and even that could be buggy. I had the first ever version of APS around 1990 which was on the win3 platform and I've kept trying them ever since in various releases including the CS stuff. Some people get lucky and have no problems while others have difficulties from the get go. For the work I was doing I couldn't afford crashes and bugs.

Quote:Same as CB, I had various versions of PS over many years and never once did I experience it crashing or freezing.

It depends what you use them for and the amount of ram you use during processing. I've known many different people have issues where the program doesn't like the memory type or the processor or the motherboard. Sometimes it's just buggy and when we used it on XP we got the blue screen of death quite often.
The biggest issue in my opinion is when you are approaching memory limits. Instead of the warning you get on Corel PSP7 and PSP, it tends to freeze you out or lock up.
The last version I had was too slow, it buffered on files larger than 50meg and sometimes that is where the memory cache is set in the program and sometimes there is issues with processor cache latency. The most stable APS IMO was 6 from way back and even that could be buggy.
I had the first ever version of APS around 1990 which was on the win3 platform and I've kept trying them ever since in various releases including the CS stuff. Some people get lucky and have no problems while others have difficulties from the get go. For the work I was doing I couldn't afford crashes and bugs.

My biggest bug bear was this:- If I scanned a 2x3 inch sepia for restoration at maximum dpi and increased its resolution to 1000% of the original so I could get into the detail, when you used retouch tool you got the dreaded hour glass for 10 seconds after every single action. That's just not good enough and after an hour of this it just got worse until you had to empty the cache and restart the program. It's memory and buffer functions are almost useless.

My biggest bug bear was this:- If I scanned a 2x3 inch sepia for restoration at maximum dpi and increased its resolution to 1000% of the original so I could get into the detail, when you used retouch tool you got the dreaded hour glass for 10 seconds after every single action. That's just not good enough and after an hour of this it just got worse until you had to empty the cache and restart the program. It's memory and buffer functions are almost useless.

There may be a problem with your PC as I have never had such problems with PS. I did use PSP many years ago before moving to PS. It was OK at the time but now left far behind PS. Two problems you have that I can identify are: a. 8Gb of Ram is not enough; I use 16GB and will increase to 32GB soon b. You cannot use the current version of PS unless you have a more up-to-date Operating System. It is not sufficient to just run W10 as it needs to include at least the updates of just under 12 months ago or PS cannot install the latest version. Dave

There may be a problem with your PC as I have never had such problems with PS. I did use PSP many years ago before moving to PS. It was OK at the time but now left far behind PS. Two problems you have that I can identify are:
a. 8Gb of Ram is not enough; I use 16GB and will increase to 32GB soon
b. You cannot use the current version of PS unless you have a more up-to-date Operating System. It is not sufficient to just run W10 as it needs to include at least the updates of just under 12 months ago or PS cannot install the latest version.

Dave

If you are getting the dreaded hour glass for 10 seconds after every action that is down to your PC lacking sufficient processing power. Never had any issues with PS on my PC (Win 10 with 32Gb RAM and i7 quad core processor).

If you are getting the dreaded hour glass for 10 seconds after every action that is down to your PC lacking sufficient processing power. Never had any issues with PS on my PC (Win 10 with 32Gb RAM and i7 quad core processor).

Even my mobile phone has 12GB of RAM. I don't think 8GB on a computer cuts it these days. Therein lies the problem, almost certainly.

Even my mobile phone has 12GB of RAM.

I don't think 8GB on a computer cuts it these days. Therein lies the problem, almost certainly.

[quote]There may be a problem with your PC as I have never had such problems with PS. I did use PSP many years ago before moving to PS. It was OK at the time but now left far behind PS. Two problems you have that I can identify are: a. 8Gb of Ram is not enough; I use 16GB and will increase to 32GB soon b. You cannot use the current version of PS unless you have a more up-to-date Operating System. It is not sufficient to just run W10 as it needs to include at least the updates of just under 12 months ago or PS cannot install the latest version. Dave[/quote] No, I'm talking about previous versions from yesteryear using state of the art PC's. When I had 4 gig of ram and dual core for example when that was the maximum memory you could possibly have, And when 8 gig was the maximum you could possibly have and no one sold boards with higher capacity, This was when DSLR's were 10mp. Now with 20mp cameras you do need 16 gig of ram but I'm not using those camera's so there is no need. It wasn't memory issues in the PC, it was Adobe's inability to deal with large files and Corel never suffered this problem. Don't take my word for it, look on this forum. There are posts about people having trouble with APS and I know plenty of people personally who have had nightmares with it even with the highest cpu and memory specs available. APS can be really fussy at times and will work fine with one cpu brand and fail with another, same with memory brands, it can have issues there too.

Quote:There may be a problem with your PC as I have never had such problems with PS. I did use PSP many years ago before moving to PS. It was OK at the time but now left far behind PS. Two problems you have that I can identify are:
a. 8Gb of Ram is not enough; I use 16GB and will increase to 32GB soon
b. You cannot use the current version of PS unless you have a more up-to-date Operating System. It is not sufficient to just run W10 as it needs to include at least the updates of just under 12 months ago or PS cannot install the latest version.

Dave

No, I'm talking about previous versions from yesteryear using state of the art PC's. When I had 4 gig of ram and dual core for example when that was the maximum memory you could possibly have, And when 8 gig was the maximum you could possibly have and no one sold boards with higher capacity, This was when DSLR's were 10mp.
Now with 20mp cameras you do need 16 gig of ram but I'm not using those camera's so there is no need. It wasn't memory issues in the PC, it was Adobe's inability to deal with large files and Corel never suffered this problem.
Don't take my word for it, look on this forum. There are posts about people having trouble with APS and I know plenty of people personally who have had nightmares with it even with the highest cpu and memory specs available. APS can be really fussy at times and will work fine with one cpu brand and fail with another, same with memory brands, it can have issues there too.

Photoshop has run fine for me on a variety of computers over the past 20 years. Never once had freezing or any other issue. If PS was fundamentally problematic it would not be the industry standard for imaging software.

Photoshop has run fine for me on a variety of computers over the past 20 years. Never once had freezing or any other issue.

If PS was fundamentally problematic it would not be the industry standard for imaging software.

[quote][i]Now with 20mp cameras you do need 16 gig of ram but I'm not using those camera's so there is no need.[/i][/quote] If you're working with large files, layers etc. then Photoshop will use as much RAM as it deems necessary, sometimes as much as it can lay its hands on. With only 8gb. you're only fooling yourself if you expect everything to run smoothly. Nothing to do with 20mp. or otherwise, cameras.

Quote:Now with 20mp cameras you do need 16 gig of ram but I'm not using those camera's so there is no need.

If you're working with large files, layers etc. then Photoshop will use as much RAM as it deems necessary, sometimes as much as it can lay its hands on. With only 8gb. you're only fooling yourself if you expect everything to run smoothly.

Nothing to do with 20mp. or otherwise, cameras.

[quote][quote][i]Now with 20mp cameras you do need 16 gig of ram but I'm not using those camera's so there is no need.[/i][/quote] If you're working with large files, layers etc. then Photoshop will use as much RAM as it deems necessary, sometimes as much as it can lay its hands on. With only 8gb. you're only fooling yourself if you expect everything to run smoothly. Nothing to do with 20mp. or otherwise, cameras.[/quote] You're wrong and you're forgetting that computers didn't always have 16 or 32 gig of ram. 10 years ago motherboards didn't take that kind of capacity. You're looking at the issue from your own perspective of how things are now and not what happened in the past. Don't forget people have been editing digital images on pc based platforms since 1990, starting with 4megs of ram then 8 megs then 16megs right up to 32 gig often seen these days. As file sized increased over the decades with higher mp rating then memory and cpu specs had to increase too. You have absolutely no idea what you're spouting on about. The Adobe platform needs constantly updating because of problems people are having with different video cards and OS's, there are updates every week. I have a piece of software here that's 22 year old called Jasc PSP7 that has never been updated, its the original software. In 22 years it has never crashed, it never buffers or has memory issues of any kind and still works with modern PC's. What does that tell you? It tells me that Adobe's original platform sucks.

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Quote:Now with 20mp cameras you do need 16 gig of ram but I'm not using those camera's so there is no need.

If you're working with large files, layers etc. then Photoshop will use as much RAM as it deems necessary, sometimes as much as it can lay its hands on. With only 8gb. you're only fooling yourself if you expect everything to run smoothly.

Nothing to do with 20mp. or otherwise, cameras.

You're wrong and you're forgetting that computers didn't always have 16 or 32 gig of ram. 10 years ago motherboards didn't take that kind of capacity. You're looking at the issue from your own perspective of how things are now and not what happened in the past.
Don't forget people have been editing digital images on pc based platforms since 1990, starting with 4megs of ram then 8 megs then 16megs right up to 32 gig often seen these days. As file sized increased over the decades with higher mp rating then memory and cpu specs had to increase too.
You have absolutely no idea what you're spouting on about.
The Adobe platform needs constantly updating because of problems people are having with different video cards and OS's, there are updates every week.
I have a piece of software here that's 22 year old called Jasc PSP7 that has never been updated, its the original software. In 22 years it has never crashed, it never buffers or has memory issues of any kind and still works with modern PC's. What does that tell you? It tells me that Adobe's original platform sucks.

[quote]Photoshop has run fine for me on a variety of computers over the past 20 years. Never once had freezing or any other issue. If PS was fundamentally problematic it would not be the industry standard for imaging software. [/quote] But that's where people have been misguided, it has been fundamentally problematic and it's not the industry standard either. I know an employee who works in a colour lab about 4 miles from here and they won't touch it with a barge poll. The software they use costs 10 times more than any Adobe package. This is the problem you see, it's called monopilization of the market. You convince everyone there is no alternative just like they have with windows OS's, you take their money and you corner the market. Doesn't mean its the best product, it just means you've been duped into thinking so.

Quote:Photoshop has run fine for me on a variety of computers over the past 20 years. Never once had freezing or any other issue.

If PS was fundamentally problematic it would not be the industry standard for imaging software.

But that's where people have been misguided, it has been fundamentally problematic and it's not the industry standard either.
I know an employee who works in a colour lab about 4 miles from here and they won't touch it with a barge poll. The software they use costs 10 times more than any Adobe package.
This is the problem you see, it's called monopilization of the market. You convince everyone there is no alternative just like they have with windows OS's, you take their money and you corner the market. Doesn't mean its the best product, it just means you've been duped into thinking so.

Despite what people are saying, you obviously know better. At least you can rely on your old PSP.

Despite what people are saying, you obviously know better. At least you can rely on your old PSP.

[quote] You have absolutely no idea what you're spouting on about. [/quote] Your arrogance and now, unnecessary rudeness merely confirms your lack of manners and an inability to intract correctly in a forum thread. I, among others, have pointed out the glaringly obvious shortfall in your system but you clearly aren't interested in our help. Good luck.

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You have absolutely no idea what you're spouting on about.


Your arrogance and now, unnecessary rudeness merely confirms your lack of manners and an inability to intract correctly in a forum thread.
I, among others, have pointed out the glaringly obvious shortfall in your system but you clearly aren't interested in our help.
Good luck.