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Red Cross sees humanitarian crisis in NHS


brian1208 18 11.8k 12 United Kingdom
24 Jan 2017 2:16AM
I have a National Health Number and whenever I have needed to use the NHS I have been asked to supply this so I've never really understood why there seems to be so much debate about knowing if someone is entitled to use the free service?

"A person gets an NHS number at birth, or when they first make contact with the NHS by registering with a GP"
thewilliam 12 6.1k
24 Jan 2017 9:49AM
The NHS operates as a "market" and has armies of bureaucrats whose task is to make sure that the correct bodies are "billed" for treatment. Why can it not cope with billing foreign nationals without NHS registration?
collywobles 17 4.1k 10 United Kingdom
24 Jan 2017 10:31AM
Because it was never seen as a problem, but now it is, it would be difficult and nye impossible for a Government Office (NHS) to start................ however in saying that, a private company could introduce a system in a very short period.
brian1208 18 11.8k 12 United Kingdom
24 Jan 2017 3:21PM
Wouldn't it be more simple to bill anyone who doesn't have NHS registration?
triumphv8 13 475 United Kingdom
24 Jan 2017 3:28PM
Yes - unless they have given a false address or just left the country.

One of the issues is who deals with the fight if treatment is refused - and by fight I mean :-

Patient outrage, patient's family outrage, press outrage ,racial group outrage, British do gooders outrage, damages claim for hurting the patients feelings, and when one eventually dies from not receiving the treatment - involuntary manslaughter charges under H&S legislation for whoever turned them down.
brian1208 18 11.8k 12 United Kingdom
24 Jan 2017 4:24PM
strange how other countries don't seem to agonise over this, can't we learn from them?
thewilliam 12 6.1k
24 Jan 2017 4:52PM

Quote:strange how other countries don't seem to agonise over this, can't we learn from them?


Do the rulers of other countries have the "poor criminal, sod the victim" mentality?
ChrisV 14 2.3k 26 United Kingdom
25 Jan 2017 1:43PM
I'm actually pretty happy our A&E departments aren't likely to say "no, we won't stitch your leg back on unless you can show us the right paperwork".

Would you really want to live in a place that would leave you to die until you could prove you have cover?

That's not to say we shouldn't be passing on the costs of treating foreign nationals where possible; but it chills me to the bone to imagine a future where the presumption to treat is not automatic. I'm hoping some of you haven't thought this through, because it suggests a willingness to abandon the sort of human decency we all value in the NHS.
Fma7 6 1.1k United Kingdom
25 Jan 2017 9:50PM

Quote:It's interesting to view the economic ignorance of those that think the current workings of globalism are a decent system in working order and that 'socialism is dead'.



Quote: I'm hoping some of you haven't thought this through,


Can you get condescension treated on the NHS?
keithh 17 25.8k 33 Wallis And Futuna
25 Jan 2017 10:22PM
Private only but you still have to have counselling to ensure you know what the end result will be.
triumphv8 13 475 United Kingdom
25 Jan 2017 10:57PM
Chris - the policy is already never to refuse emergency treatment even if the rule was applied - and it's the same in the US where they pretty much ask people for their credit card when they walk through the door.

I'm sure a missing leg would be counted as such.

But thanks for the outrage - it sort of proves the point.
ChrisV 14 2.3k 26 United Kingdom
25 Jan 2017 11:53PM
If you're saying treatment shouldn't be refused you'll have to forgive me for struggling to grasp what point you were making.

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