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RIP Margaret Thatcher

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Nigeyboy 13 1.0k United Kingdom
8 Apr 2013 4:59PM
I was right!! This IS getting interesting!!

Dont they say you should never discuss death and politics . . . . . ?

Both in one thread is asking for trouble!! Wink
monstersnowman 16 1.7k 1 England
8 Apr 2013 5:01PM

Quote:This is a respect thread so I hope those who have already posted insensitive posts stop and nobody else does so. There is a place for personal negative opinion and regardless of what you thought of the lady a respect thread regarding someone's death is not the place.

This is exactly what I meant by sentimentality surrounding death.

Why do we have to give respect to a dead person who we would not have given such respect to in life? Answer: Our own morbid fear of death. No more no less.



You don't, just don't go on a respect thread then if you don't have any. If you feel she had no respect or humanity then demonstrate some yourself and avoid the thread and allow people like myself who did have genuine respect to mark an old lady's death.
hobbo Plus
10 1.8k 4 England
8 Apr 2013 5:02PM
Could we please stick to photography?

Hobbo
8 Apr 2013 5:08PM
As Ruth Wishart (journalist) said on twitter earlier:

Rule 1. do not speak ill of the dead.
Rule 2. do not pretend death absolves them from misdeeds in life.
bikerbob 19 186
8 Apr 2013 5:11PM
It is always sad when someone dies but I find it very difficult to find anything good to say about her she wiped out coal mining she wiped out shipbuilding she wiped out heavy engineering she privatised the utilities for which we are all now paying a fortune and some are now foreign owned. The only good thing I can say about her is she kicked the Argies off the Falklands. She also created mass unemplyment which was payed for by North sea oil revenues.
hobbs 17 1.3k Japan
8 Apr 2013 5:19PM
Never really liked her, but I can still feel sorrow for her family.

My other half lost her Gran this weekend to a stroke and it's times like these when you see the sadness of one's who are close that you understand how acting with no humanity can hurt them greatly.
8 Apr 2013 5:21PM

Quote:It is always sad when someone dies but I find it very difficult to find anything good to say about her she wiped out coal mining she wiped out shipbuilding she wiped out heavy engineering she privatised the utilities for which we are all now paying a fortune and some are now foreign owned. The only good thing I can say about her is she kicked the Argies off the Falklands. She also created mass unemplyment which was payed for by North sea oil revenues.


In here defense (this may be sarcasm), if it wasnt for her i wouldnt be in the job i am now. No, i would have left school and joined a company as an apprentice architect that had been set up for me when i was due finish school. As it was she scrapped the apprenticeships and it was too late for me to get into a uni course that year. If it wasnt for being forced into taking a year out, doing a bit of travel and part time work i might never have changed my outlook on my future and decision to go to art school instead. So i guess i have to thank her for forcing my hand on those matters. And oh yeah, the fight i had against fines for poll tax non payment (while i was still at school!!!) was character building...

I could go on
saltireblue Plus
11 12.4k 78 Norway
8 Apr 2013 5:26PM
This thread was started out of respect for a person that has died.
Let's keep it that way and don't let it degenerate into a political bun fight. Or worse.
scottishphototours 17 2.6k 2
8 Apr 2013 5:59PM
Ok, but how anyone can say they respect her after what she did to this country is beyond me...
ade_mcfade 17 15.2k 216 England
8 Apr 2013 6:00PM
the fact that most people have a strong opinion about her says it all...
elowes 17 2.8k United Kingdom
8 Apr 2013 6:29PM

Quote:This thread was started out of respect for a person that has died.
Quote:

We all die sooner or later. Thatcher died later than many.

If you do not respect someone when they are alive how can you do so when they are dead.

The dead don't care as either they go on to somewhere better or (more than likely in my view) they just end. Either way they can't or don't care.

You cannot discuss the life and death of Thatcher without either praising her or condemning her. It really comes down to wether you believe she made the country great or just ensured the rich got richer and the working class got poorer.

I had no respect for her alive but she was a strong leader.

The legacy of Thatcher will be debated for a while and she will enter the history books but for what reasons will depend on the commentators in the years to come.

Personally I hope my grandchildren have something better to look back on than the Thatcher and Blair years and this appalling coalition of nonentities.


8 Apr 2013 6:29PM
Perhaps the thread would be better in another place than the 'Healthy debate' forum if it is only to voice one side of an opinion?
8 Apr 2013 6:31PM

Quote:Why should people pretend they have any respect for that woman just because she is dead?
Nobody is suggesting that anyone should pretend to have respect. You either respect her or you don't. Nothing at all about pretence.


I for one will not pretend, i had no respect for the woman
mikehit 12 8.0k 13 United Kingdom
8 Apr 2013 6:35PM
Socialism is a philosophy based on human compassion and acceptance of other peoples' beliefs and I find it remarkable that we have many from that side of the political divide actually celebrating a person's death in a context totally unrelated to her ability to wield power. If the end of her premiership was because she died I would have some understanding of the sense of relief but that was 20 years ago and to cheer her death is bewildering and mawkish.
I am not an apologist for her - on one side she tackled many of the ills this country had in the70s and 80s and no other politician had the bottle to do so. On the other she was unnecessarily combative in the way she did it but maybe that is the nature of things - the sort of personality you need to get things in order is not the best personality to manage things in the aftermath.

I understand lack of respect for her and it would be hypocritical to fake it now. I can understand indifference. But celebration?
Carabosse 18 41.8k 270 England
8 Apr 2013 6:39PM
Perhaps people are cheering the end of an era of which they disapproved, rather than the actual death.

For some, she has come to represent all that went wrong with Britain in the 1980s. For others, she is Britain's saviour.