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Should the government listen to all your calls, emails and web visits?

JackAllTog Plus
9 5.0k 58 United Kingdom
3 Apr 2012 3:10PM
Whilst I love the sentiment of a trusted body looking at criminal behaviour to curtail it i don't yet agree with the proposals and trust the government to use the data solely for those purposes. I don't trust the leverage it may place on coercing political leaders themselves to follow a certain suggested path by other's holding the information.

I also don't see how it will work when i can set up a VPN (encrypted traffic stream) to a non UK destination for internet telephony, web browsing or emails.

Just think of all the epz posts and PM's you made being monitored Wink

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3 Apr 2012 3:17PM
This is another useless plan from this useless government. It must be stopped.
JackAllTog Plus
9 5.0k 58 United Kingdom
3 Apr 2012 3:22PM
One mass petition site allowing objections to this (and other hot topics) is 38 Degrees.
Its the only way i really know of feeding back to the government - unless i send a private email for them to read Wink
3 Apr 2012 3:23PM
i totally and utterly disagree with this ludicrous propsal just shows how out of touch the govenment truly are
thatmanbrian 6 342 3 Spain
3 Apr 2012 3:38PM

They won't be able to see content.

Also, it will fail because no self-respecting terrorist is going to post a message to Al-Quieda in his own name or from his own computer!

Anyone up to no good will easily circumvent these measures.

Anyone innocent won't be tracked as they won't have the resources, so no worries eh!
robthecamman 6 1.7k United Kingdom
3 Apr 2012 3:48PM
someone voted the knobheads in come on own up haaa
ast333 Plus
6 1.3k England
3 Apr 2012 4:11PM
Now you know why the newspapers where dragged across the coals over the phone hacking .the government donít like competition.
thatmanbrian 6 342 3 Spain
3 Apr 2012 4:27PM
My comments are about the facts. Most folk seem to ignore those and concentrate on ephemeral issues such as privacy. Privacy is a personal and subjective thing and everyone will have their own feelings on it.

For myself I can't be doing with getting my knickers in a twist over it. Privacy is an imaginary and unrealistic concept in this 21st century. Live with it.
cats_123 Plus
14 4.8k 28 Northern Ireland
3 Apr 2012 4:32PM
In the past ISPs provided information on traffic through Memorandums of Understanding (a voluntary code). I suspect that this puts it on a formal footing, but you have to bear in mind that RIPA (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000) governs all this type of work

"RIPA can be invoked by government officials specified in the Act on the grounds of national security, and for the purposes of detecting crime, preventing disorder, public safety, protecting public health, or in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom."

RIPA won't allow random, fishing searches. Each and every case, each and every individual being investigated or linked to an investigation has to have a a separate request completed signed off by a `Senior Officer' (who is not directly managing the case). And then if greater detail was needed a warrant would be required.

I haven't read all the legalese behind this but (having worked in Customs & Excise) don't believe it puts any individuals at risk.

The job of tracing and proving criminality is very, very closely monitored. Of course there are exceptions to all rules, but in the main the bodies who are likely to have these powers use them very discretely and for very specific purposes.

Of course, everyone has their own opinion about levels of powers...that's called democracy Smile
Carabosse 15 41.0k 269 England
3 Apr 2012 4:40PM

Quote:but in the main the bodies who are likely to have these powers use them very discretely and for very specific purposes.

I'll bet that's what the KGB used to say! Lol! Wink
KevSB 14 1.5k 5 United Kingdom
3 Apr 2012 4:41PM

Quote:Someone voted the knobheads in come on own up haaa

It was the present goverment that voted against much more draconien methods during Labours term so putting the blame on one party does not ring true
NaturesHaven 6 283 6 England
3 Apr 2012 4:45PM
It's just another story to keep the population on edge, they are trying to cover up the budget, the pastygate and anything else they can **** up.........have you noticed they always use "Terrorism" as the excuse.......sounds good SadSadSad

To use Huntley as an example is just shameful...........sadly I cannot see things changing in the near or distant future.........we need to be rid of this political system we have but for the life of me I can't think of anything to replace it with...............maybe this could become a new Topic...........has anybody got any sensible ideas on a new political system............answers on a postcard............and to hell with the stamp......GrinGrinGrin
cameracat 14 8.6k 61 Norfolk Island
3 Apr 2012 8:58PM

Quote:It was the present government that voted against much more draconian methods during Labours term so putting the blame on one party does not ring true

Absolutely right......Grin

Quote:Someone voted the knobheads in come on own up haaa

So what are you saying, You would rather be spied on by Labour, Instead of the Conservatives, Or perhaps the Liberals, How about the British National Party checking to see who you have voted for maybe......LOL.....Grin Truth is that it was Blair assisted by Brown who schemed up the idea of " Everyone On Line " no matter what, That particular gesture seemed a tad suspicious at the time, Now it just makes absolute sense.........Wink

You might have to think about that for a while....!!!
thatmanbrian 6 342 3 Spain
4 Apr 2012 8:32AM
What part of "no content" don't people understand?

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