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Small Minded Race Steward - Mare and foal die

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rhody 17 2.8k 2 United Kingdom
13 May 2019 8:57AM
According to the BBC, a cycle race steward allegedly refused a vet access to a farm to attend a mare having problems giving birth. Sadly both the mare and foal died. I find that attitude deeply worrying. A cycle race more important than life? Really?

The report concerning the death of the mare and foal is contained within the article. Sadly, a cyclist died after the race too.

Mare and foal die after vet refused access by race steward

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SlowSong Plus
11 8.4k 30 England
13 May 2019 9:00AM
It seems that sport trumps everything else these days, and don't even get me started on cycle races. A sad story. Sad
rhody 17 2.8k 2 United Kingdom
13 May 2019 9:09AM

Quote:It seems that sport trumps everything else these days, and don't even get me started on cycle races. A sad story. Sad


Totally agree. I wonder what would count as an "Emergency" in the Organizers pre-race planning brief?
Or, in the mind of the Organizers is there no emergency which would or could impact upon the cycle race?
There is no comparison in my mind between a cycle race and saving life.
The horses owner threatened to block the road with her horse box.
In her position, watching my horse and foal die in agony before my eyes, with the vet refused access, I would have blocked the sodding road in a heart beat.
Dave_Canon 13 1.6k United Kingdom
13 May 2019 9:50AM
Not sure how this race was organised but the Tour of Britain cycle race has come through my town several times. They use a rolling closure system so the road is only closed about 5 mins ahead of the race leaders and re-opens as soon as the last cyclist go through. Last time it was just 8 mins between first and last and this was within 2 miles of the end of stage. Even then there are lots of police vehicles so I am sure they would escort a vet in an emergency where access was otherwise not possible. However, I suspect that this works well because it is a professional race and the gap between the leaders and trailers is relatively short; they also seem to use plenty of police and stewards.


Dave
Ross_D Plus
5 838 1 United Kingdom
13 May 2019 10:04AM
Bit confused ....your link takes me to a BBC news article ......... 'Cyclist dies ........' ???
SlowSong Plus
11 8.4k 30 England
13 May 2019 10:07AM

Quote:Bit confused ....your link takes me to a BBC news article ......... 'Cyclist dies ........' ???
You have to scroll down to it.
Belleyeteres 9 264 United Kingdom
13 May 2019 10:46AM
I had a cyclist on a race ride across a junction straight in front of me yesterday. I had the right of way. He never slowed down for the junction. Just head down he did not even look or know he had crossed over a main road. Cycle racing on roads should be banned.
Tianshi_angie 4 2.7k England
13 May 2019 11:30AM
I recently went to Richmond Park (outskirts of London) which I have known since a youngster. It is now impossible to walk along the paths in the Park due to teams of cyclists, not in single file but groups of five or six competing against each other with no concern for who else is using the pathway, including toddlers, pushchairs, folk in wheelchairs or otherwise being a little frail and/or a little slow. This used to be such a haven of peace away from the pace of the city around it. Cyclists should become more responsible. I love to see all sports men and women do well but not at the cost of real inconvenience and even death of others. Not even the rules of the road being observed.
justin c 16 5.0k 36 England
13 May 2019 1:47PM
"Impossible to walk along the paths in Richmond Park" !!!!!!

What a load of rubbish. Talk about exaggerating.
Having been to Richmond Park on many, many occasions every year for the last nine or ten years. I've never ever encountered the slightest issue with the cyclists that are also enjoying the park.
I've no doubt there are one or two.that give the majority of cyclists a bad name but on the whole cyclists are generally polite, considerate and friendly towards others.
It might come as a bit of a shock to the anti-cycling brigade (jealous, moaning old farts with nothing better to moan about) but cyclists don't actually go out of their way to collide with others. It's actually in their best interest not to, crashing into things tends to hurt 🙁
JackAllTog Plus
10 5.7k 58 United Kingdom
13 May 2019 2:01PM
Once a year, our road network gets closed off for a half marathon - perhaps 4000 of us that can't drive anywhere for 6 hours on a Sunday morning while another 4000 go for a run/jog.
There are just too many of us humans all wanting to use the same limited road resources.
Tianshi_angie 4 2.7k England
13 May 2019 4:11PM
Justin C - Well I had a very nasty experience with the cyclists in Richmond Park. Yes, perhaps I am an 'old fart' but on the roads/paths around the pen ponds I was unable to walk safely on the paths. Groups of cyclists with heads down sped along these paths and twice myself, daughter, granddaughter and great grandson, were in danger of being knocked sideways. This was particular so for myself (and I am 80) and my great grandson (who at the time was 2 and a half). As I said I have been visiting Richmond Park since I was a youngster - so something like 60+ more years than you have, and I have never seen the cyclists behaving so badly or with such aggression. It was a place where dogs were walked (off the lead!), children taken on picnics and allowed to run and play, Sunday afternoon strolls, horse chestnuts gathered. When my eldest daughter was but 6 weeks old she was taken to Richmond Park and photographs taken with both myself and her Dad. But on this occasion driving in and out of the park cyclists seem to assume that they shouldn't be overtaken and did not reduce their parallel cycling into a lane of one, no matter how many others were on the road. I would agree that most cyclists are polite and courteous but the exception is when they are training - not just out for a quiet ride to enjoy the countryside - but attaining the top speeds and maintaining them. That is the difference - not cyclists in general but cyclists who think they are the next Chris Frome.
saltireblue Plus
9 9.9k 39 Norway
13 May 2019 4:22PM
From The Royal Parks Regulations:


Quote:Pedestrians have priority within the Royal Parks as they make up the majority of park visitors. Provision is made to encourage all users to be considerate to one another with the Pathway Code of Conduct. On park roads the Highway Code applies and is enforced under the Highways Act. Off carriageway the park is protected through Park Regulations. Speed limits do not apply to cyclists within the parks, but it is recommended that cyclists keep to appropriate speeds for the environment. Cycling design speeds between 8 and 12mph have been found to be more acceptable to other park visitors*.
justin c 16 5.0k 36 England
13 May 2019 7:44PM

Quote:Justin C - Well I had a very nasty experience with the cyclists in Richmond Park. Yes, perhaps I am an 'old fart' but on the roads/paths around the pen ponds I was unable to walk safely on the paths. Groups of cyclists with heads down sped along these paths and twice myself, daughter, granddaughter and great grandson, were in danger of being knocked sideways. This was particular so for myself (and I am 80) and my great grandson (who at the time was 2 and a half). As I said I have been visiting Richmond Park since I was a youngster - so something like 60+ more years than you have, and I have never seen the cyclists behaving so badly or with such aggression. It was a place where dogs were walked (off the lead!), children taken on picnics and allowed to run and play, Sunday afternoon strolls, horse chestnuts gathered. When my eldest daughter was but 6 weeks old she was taken to Richmond Park and photographs taken with both myself and her Dad. But on this occasion driving in and out of the park cyclists seem to assume that they shouldn't be overtaken and did not reduce their parallel cycling into a lane of one, no matter how many others were on the road. I would agree that most cyclists are polite and courteous but the exception is when they are training - not just out for a quiet ride to enjoy the countryside - but attaining the top speeds and maintaining them. That is the difference - not cyclists in general but cyclists who think they are the next Chris Frome.


I'm sorry to hear about your unfortunate experience but one such encounter in 60 years of visiting the park hardly justifies your earlier statement that the park is impossible to walk in due to dangerous cyclists. You paint a very bleak, false and depressing picture of the place, as if maniac, dangerous cyclists are out in force to terrorise anyone who happens to be a non-cyclist. That couldn't be further from the truth. The park is a wonderful place and a safe haven for anyone and everyone that chooses to use it.
Cephus Plus
15 2.5k England
13 May 2019 8:43PM
SMALL MINDED RACE STEWARD - MARE AND FOAL DIE???
Tianshi_angie 4 2.7k England
13 May 2019 9:13PM
Justin C - I'm afraid you are mistaken, or have just been fortunate enough never to experience this sort of behaviour. It may also be that if you are able bodied and can walk across grass then you do not see the cyclists on the paths. I no longer visit Richmond Park on a regular basis as I no longer live nearby, but my daughter, granddaughter and great- grandson do and their experiences are far more frequent than mine. The two adults were not at all surprised by what I saw but recounted several times when toddlers and babies in push chairs had been endangered. This was an unnerving experience and unlike anything I had ever experienced before in spite of many, many hours walking through the park with children and my mother and father before they died. I also used to take children who were emotionally disturbed on outings into the park as the home they lived in was adjacent to the park. I would never have taken emotionally disturbed children there if the cyclists had been behaving as these cyclists were.

Some of the other folk who have reported on the single mindedness of racing cyclists in this thread have obviously been made aware of the dangers that they pose. Just because this happened in Richmond Park doesn't mean that they are any less single minded or 'blind' to the dangers they present to the general public.