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Chris_L 5 5.1k United Kingdom
26 Jul 2019 7:13PM
Noticed that my dad, who is in his mid-70s, has started to get milk delivered in glass pint bottles. A milkwoman is delivering product from a local dairy and taking away the empties in the traditional way.

It's probably cheaper for him to buy his milk from Asda with his other groceries. It's nostalgic to pick up a proper glass bottle and it gave me a nice warm feeling. Also someone is getting a job out of this that they probably would not have otherwise.

I remember during the Miners' Strike placards that simply said "Coal Not Dole". If you subsidised coal you could subsidise milk or anything really. Is it better that people work, even if the product price is higher or the losses are subsidised, rather than them wasting away and having to rely on benefits? Or would that be interfering too much with market forces and too much of a step on the road to the failed flavours of Communism that eventually collapsed in the Soviet Union and elsewhere?

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26 Jul 2019 8:14PM

Quote: milk delivered in glass pint bottles. A milkwoman is delivering product from a local dairy and taking away the empties in the traditional way


Love it...wish we had the same around here...saves lugging litres of milk from a supermarket, but mainly, with the cleaning and recycling of the bottles it wipes out a huge heap of plastic waste...okay, some can be recycled but I’m not convinced it works 100%....... glass bottles do...
Cephus Plus
14 2.5k England
26 Jul 2019 8:43PM
Jestertheclown 10 8.0k 252 England
26 Jul 2019 9:47PM

Quote:A milkwoman is delivering product from a local dairy and taking away the empties in the traditional way.

I noticed that one of my neighbours also uses this service; I thought it somehow, quite quaint.

Quote:lugging litres of milk from a supermarket, but mainly, with the cleaning and recycling of the bottles it wipes out a huge heap of plastic waste...okay, some can be recycled but Iím not convinced it works 100%....... glass bottles do.

I usually lug cartons home from one of our local shops on the way home from work, or while I'm out with the dog. I don't find it that arduous but I take your point.
As for recycling them; I don't bother. in fact, I don't bother to recycle much of anything.
To recycle glass bottles, I'd have to take them to a specific container. I know there is one somewhere but I've never used it.
Chris_L 5 5.1k United Kingdom
26 Jul 2019 11:31PM
How selfish of you to not bother recycling, you almost sound proud, how ill-informed you are thinking that you would have to recycle the glass bottles by taking them somewhere. The empties are taken away when the full ones are dropped off 🙄
Paul Morgan 18 19.3k 6 England
26 Jul 2019 11:50PM
Seen similar, local farm shops starting doorstep deliveries, not so much milk but just about everything else like bread, cheese, ham, bacon, eggs etc, very little if any plastic used, people in general seem much more aware today.
27 Jul 2019 7:41AM

Quote:I usually lug cartons home from one of our local shops on the way home from work, or while I'm out with the dog. I don't find it that arduous but I take your point.
As for recycling them; I don't bother. in fact, I don't bother to recycle much of anything.
To recycle glass bottles, I'd have to take them to a specific container. I know there is one somewhere but I've never used it.




Quote:How selfish of you to not bother recycling, you almost sound proud, how ill-informed you are thinking that you would have to recycle the glass bottles by taking them somewhere. The empties are taken away when the full ones are dropped off 🙄


Never mind, Chris, those of us with a slightly more developed sense of social responsibility will bother to do the recycling. It's not fair that he should have to bother himself with such an arduous task... better to leave all that nonsense to people with more time on their hands, eh?
I assume he cleans up after his dog when he's out with it, but perhaps he can't be bothered to do that either...
DaveRyder Plus
5 3.3k 1 United Kingdom
27 Jul 2019 7:46AM
When I was completing my degree (general science) I had to writing up a study relating to Environmentalism and Recycling.
This was in 1993, and one of the points I discussed was that we had removed a perfectly good recycling system in glass bottle milk deliveries and replaced it with a waste generating system. Funny old world.

Incidentally we get ours delivered in a medium size van with ASDA written on the side.

Jestertheclown 10 8.0k 252 England
27 Jul 2019 8:41AM

Quote:how ill-informed you are thinking that you would have to recycle the glass bottles by taking them somewhere. The empties are taken away when the full ones are dropped off 🙄


Not ill informed Chris.
I've known how milk bottles are reused since I was a kid and that was the way in which everyone got their milk.
The same's not true of any other glass waste though. The council expect us to transport it to a communal bin somewhere. I don't have the time, the means nor the inclination.

Quote:I assume he cleans up after his dog when he's out with it, but perhaps he can't be bothered to do that either...

I've always cleared up after my dogs, assuming their mess is somewhere that it might cause a problem. Certainly if we're on a road or in the local rec.for example.
I'm less concerned if he goes on the far side of a deserted field full of cow muck, miles from anywhere.
SlowSong Plus
11 8.2k 30 England
27 Jul 2019 8:43AM
I only use one pint of milk a week, so it's not really worth getting that delivered. I haven't seen a milk float for years and years.
I don't know if anyone remembers the little half pint bottles of orange juice you got off the milkman. It was the best tasting orange I've ever had and I can still remember the taste.
I like recycling. Apart from helping the environment, it appeals to my tidy nature.
bluesandtwos 9 399 1 England
27 Jul 2019 9:03AM
My other half has gone back to having milk delivered in bottles. We still get a delivery from Asda of everything else, but it keeps the milkman in work, it's nice to have milk in the bottle, and being an old ex hippy, recycling and planetary preservation appeals to me! Smile
27 Jul 2019 9:04AM

Quote:I've always cleared up after my dogs, assuming their mess is somewhere that it might cause a problem. Certainly if we're on a road or in the local rec.for example.
I'm less concerned if he goes on the far side of a deserted field full of cow muck, miles from anywhere.


Good for you. And it's pleasing to learn that you exercise your dogs so extensively that you can sometimes be found wandering across farmland "miles from anywhere." I suppose that might explain why you don't have the time to put anything in the recycling bin... or box, or whatever it is your local council provides.

Jestertheclown 10 8.0k 252 England
27 Jul 2019 9:14AM

Quote:t's pleasing to learn that you exercise your dogs so extensively that you can sometimes be found wandering across farmland "miles from anywhere.

I live two minutes from open countryside so it's a regular occurrence.

Quote:I suppose that might explain why you don't have the time to put anything in the recycling bin... or box, or whatever it is your local council provides.

It might.
DaveRyder Plus
5 3.3k 1 United Kingdom
27 Jul 2019 9:18AM

Quote:
Or would that be interfering too much with market forces and too much of a step on the road to the failed flavours of Communism that eventually collapsed in the Soviet Union and elsewhere?



On the original question - I think you and I may disagree here Chris.
Governments should not run businesses they should set policy and financial conditions for business to thrive and administer the framework to ensure fair and responsible trading. Legal, taxation, infrastructure.. etc.

When Government run businesses every change of Government (or as we've seen this week a Cabinet shuffle) can change the business direction. It also leaves the Government at the mercy of strikes and that a small disruptive element can bring down a duly elected Government.

If people don't think a Government can run the country why would you want them running business.

I favour a free market low taxation environment that generates wealth and growth through private investment.


Tianshi_angie 4 2.5k England
27 Jul 2019 9:44AM
There is a delivery service for milk here but as my needs for milk vary considerably I have never used it, but I believe they also provide other dairy provisions. If I still had a family and my needs for milk were greater I would use it as I too like the idea of milk in glass bottles - much more hygienic on top of the ease of recycling. Many plastic milk bottles cannot be recycled in spite of folks belief that they can and the pressing need to reduce the use of plastics drastically would be another reason to go this route. I really don't understand Jester's comment about 'he cannot be bothered'. Surely all councils now have recycling bins - even in this tiny village the recycling lorries are constant blockers of roads! This just sounds like sheer ignorance rather than anything else.

As for Dave's Utopia of a low taxation, free market environment - explain how that works to anyone trying to buy or rent a house in any big conurbation where there are many houses and flats standing empty in order for this 'free' enterprise to flourish! It is simply Robin Hood reversed!

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