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Some Advice please - been a while


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PhilAJ 16 112 United Kingdom
21 Dec 2018 2:09PM
Getting back into Photography after about 6 years, and looking for a bit of advice. The thing that has kick started me again is the fact that we are going to Norway in Feb, to (hopefully) see Northern Lights; together with the fact that I am retiring and have more time to devote.

I was always a Canon user, and previously had 350, 450 etc., but now looking to go to a next level. Budget wise I'm looking to spend around £1,200 - £1,500 for a camera and lens, preferably wide enough to handle landscapes and N Lights if they appear.

Was looking at the 6D Mk2 - which is a bit over my budget, then looking at the 80D it seems that this is almost as full featured for a lot less.

There is a bundle available of the 80D with an 18mm - 55mm and 55mm - 250mm IS STM lenses, (plus bag, tripod) for £1215 ...and a similar bundle of 80D plus the 18mm - 135mm IS USM lens for £1271

The questions are; would 18mm be wide enough for my needs?
Would I be better with the 1 lens 18-135 USM rather than the 2 STMs ..even though a few bob more?

Any other advice very much appreciated.

Phil






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pink Plus
20 7.4k 11 England
21 Dec 2018 5:06PM
Have you thought about secondhand through one of the dealers that offer warranty?
Your money will go much further.
For the Northern Lights you really could do with a fast lens, I used a 28-70 f2.8 on full frame. Any slower lens would then mean upping your ISO accordingly.
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14 6.4k 58 United Kingdom
21 Dec 2018 11:54PM
I hear the phenomen is quite slow moving, so a tripod and long shutter is fine. Most shots I've seen are quite wide angle, so , on the 80d APS-c 18mm is about 27mm equiv.
So would a 10 to 20 mm EFs be better? Equiv to 16mm at the wide end.
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22 Dec 2018 9:45AM
I am not an expert in the type of camera or lens which is best. I used a Sony 850 DSLR and a Tamron 28-300. I was on a ship, which was moving, so tripod was not actually a help. Fast shutter means that the images were very dark and Adobe Camera Raw was indispensable. They are not moving quickly but do move continuously and I think Jack's suggestion of long shutter may get blurry images ( I would hazard a guess that the speed is 'normal walking speed'). The Sony is a very noisy camera so increasing the ISO too much is not really an option for anything. If you are land based then it becomes a little simpler. I hope you get to see them - quite an experience.
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PhilAJ 16 112 United Kingdom
22 Dec 2018 11:37AM
Thanks all for your advice - I've bitten the bullet and going for the 80D body with a Canon 10-18mm f/4 plus a 55 - 250mm f/4. Just fits inside budget.

Will post pics as soon as I can get out and get shooting.

Thanks
Phil
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philtaylorphoto 22 334 2
30 Dec 2018 8:37PM
The 10-18 fis a far better lens than the older and bigger non stabilised 10-22 f3.5 to 4.5.

Remember that both your lenses will darken as you zoom in.

Remember to turn off IS on a tripod or will bizarrely get unsharp images.
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PhilAJ 16 112 United Kingdom
31 Dec 2018 7:36AM
Thanks Philtaylorphoto for very useful advice. Didn't know about the IS problem...
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tomcat 18 6.4k 15 United Kingdom
5 Jan 2019 8:45PM
Phil
The one thing you didn't take into account is that the 6D Mk II is full frame, whereas the 80D is 1.6x crop factor
As for IS all of my images whether bird or butterfly have been taken with IS switched on when using the tripod

Adrian
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philtaylorphoto 22 334 2
6 Jan 2019 4:10PM
I've had problems with IS on lenses used on a tripod. SOME lenses will detect that the camera is tripod mounted, and will not send the optics into a feedback loop, others won't.
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pink Plus
20 7.4k 11 England
6 Jan 2019 9:05PM
I never turn IS off tripod mounted or not and (luckily?) I have never had any issues, maybe its lens specific?
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PhilAJ 16 112 United Kingdom
6 Jan 2019 9:21PM
I’m not really sure what problems could be caused, or the meaning of ‘..a feedback loop’.

Do you mean like trying to use auto focus on something distant and moving? Where is constantly changes it’s focus points?
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philtaylorphoto 22 334 2
6 Jan 2019 9:24PM
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PhilAJ 16 112 United Kingdom
6 Jan 2019 9:41PM
Cheers Phil interesting
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philtaylorphoto 22 334 2
6 Jan 2019 9:53PM
Sometimes you will put a lens on a tripod, and instead of silence, especially on Canon lenses you will hear a quiet whooshing sound that tells you the IS is busy.

I kept the IS turned on with a Sigma 17;to 50 for architecture, and everything was just vaguely unsharpened, as if a really poor lens had been used. It wasn't obvious on the camera back, but needed a reshoot.

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