The BBC and Gambling


hobbo Plus
9 1.4k 3 England
16 Jan 2020 8:13AM
BBC Radio and TV News this morning is reporting the raising of very serious concern for the way that our over-burdened NHS is picking up the mental and financial health patients destroyed by out of control gambling.

Good! you might think ?

All this bleating by the bbc, when almost every pro soccer match viewed on all areas of tv sport, blatantly advertises gambling during live and recorded matches....


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bluesandtwos 10 412 1 England
16 Jan 2020 8:35AM
Hypocrisy is everywhere, sadly it would seem that as soon as money and profits are involved morality goes out the window.Sad
randomrubble 15 3.0k 12 United Kingdom
16 Jan 2020 8:53AM
So the BBC reports on sport and reports on news and you conflate sports advertising and news to somehow call the BBC hypocrites.

I just hope for your sake that Sky, which has its own betting arm, doesn’t report on this or your brain might explode.
sherlob Plus
13 3.1k 129 United Kingdom
16 Jan 2020 2:38PM
i remember despairing at the folly of the government in allowing the advertising of gambling on TV in the gambling act of 2005. I suspected it illustrated how politicians put the lobbying of a powerful buisness community and the promise of short term political gains above the well being of the population. Gambling addiction was well recognised in 2005, and it didn’t take a genius to determine advertising would add to the problem. Now we have rates of gambling addiction that are staggering in scale...
16 Jan 2020 4:59PM

Quote:So the BBC reports on sport and reports on news and you conflate sports advertising and news to somehow call the BBC hypocrites.

I just hope for your sake that Sky, which has its own betting arm, doesn’t report on this or your brain might explode.



Well said 👍
gcarth Plus
15 3.4k 1 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2020 4:01PM

Quote:BBC Radio and TV News this morning is reporting the raising of very serious concern for the way that our over-burdened NHS is picking up the mental and financial health patients destroyed by out of control gambling.

Good! you might think ?

All this bleating by the bbc, when almost every pro soccer match viewed on all areas of tv sport, blatantly advertises gambling during live and recorded matches....



Well, I'm not sure the BBC should be criticised for 'blatantly advertising gambling during live and recorded matches'.
I rarely watch football on TV (and so I stand to be corrected) but I didn't think the BBC camera crews went out of their way to take deliberate close ups of the adverts that run along the sides of the pitch.
However, I certainly think the BBC deserves criticism for being a biased and corrupted institution on other matters - as I've said before - ad nauseum!

I think we can agree on the serious problems that gambling addiction can cause for individuals, the NHS and the rest of society.

As 'sherlob' says, the politicians (New Labour aka New Tory) cynically allowed gambling adverts in 2005 and it should have been obvious to anyone that it would lead to increasing problems down the line.
hobbo Plus
9 1.4k 3 England
17 Jan 2020 4:27PM

Quote:
Quote:BBC Radio and TV News this morning is reporting the raising of very serious concern for the way that our over-burdened NHS is picking up the mental and financial health patients destroyed by out of control gambling.

Good! you might think ?

All this bleating by the bbc, when almost every pro soccer match viewed on all areas of tv sport, blatantly advertises gambling during live and recorded matches....


Well, I'm not sure the BBC should be criticised for 'blatantly advertising gambling during live and recorded matches'.
I rarely watch football on TV (and so I stand to be corrected) but I didn't think the BBC camera crews went out of their way to take deliberate close ups of the adverts that run along the sides of the pitch.
However, I certainly think the BBC deserves criticism for being a biased and corrupted institution on other matters - as I've said before - ad nauseum!

I think we can agree on the serious problems that gambling addiction can cause for individuals, the NHS and the rest of society.

As 'sherlob' says, the politicians (New Labour aka New Tory) cynically allowed gambling adverts in 2005 and it should have been obvious to anyone that it would lead to increasing problems down the line.



Ah, but.....if the gambling advertisements weren’t there when the bbc TV features recorded or live games then they wouldn’t be seen, would they?
Your not going to tell me that those super-rich sponsors don’t pay all that money for their advertising not to be noticed do you?
gcarth Plus
15 3.4k 1 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2020 5:14PM

Quote:Ah, but.....if the gambling advertisements weren’t there when the bbc TV features recorded or live games then they wouldn’t be seen, would they?
Your not going to tell me that those super-rich sponsors don’t pay all that money for their advertising not to be noticed do you?

Ah, yes: In an ideal world, the BBC should refuse to broadcast an event unless adverts are blocked while the match is televised. Then surely the other commercial TV channels would broadcast all matches instead - without any limitation.Sad

I would ban all gambling adverts if I could. Sad
Chris_L 6 5.5k United Kingdom
18 Jan 2020 12:17AM
"The BBC and Gambling" - you're reacting with your heart, not your head.

Imagine that the controllers at the BBC decided that they would stop showing any sport where players' shirts, or where venues' ad hoardings, advertised betting firms.

They would have to lose a lot of sport.

Some people might question whether BBC controllers should decide what we get to see based on some kind of moral stance. Who are they to decide that I should not see my favourite sports because I might react to gambling ads??

Some people might say that firms that are trading legally, and sports that are sponsored by said firms, should not be judged by a handful of guys at the BBC. Others might question why the BBC don't go further and start banning football matches where the logos of non-Fair Trade coffee and chocolate companies are prominently displayed. Then there's fast food, soft drinks, alcohol...

Instead of attacking the BBC, attack the government who have allowed this to happen. If the BBC stopped showing this stuff the rights would go to the commercial broadcasters and the viewers would follow, but now they'd be seeing even more advertising, Paddy Power and Co with live odds during the commercial breaks. You would have just made the problem worse.

Gambling destroys lives and I am pleased to see the super addictive fixed odds machines being reigned in and the end of credit card online gambling.
18 Jan 2020 11:56AM

Quote:Imagine that the controllers at the BBC decided that they would stop showing any sport


Yes, Yes, Yes.
gcarth Plus
15 3.4k 1 United Kingdom
18 Jan 2020 12:22PM

Quote:
Quote:Imagine that the controllers at the BBC decided that they would stop showing any sport


Yes, Yes, Yes.

Yes: I find it tempting to agree with you Wink - except for the fact that they seem to be catering for a clearly large demand for sports coverage.
Chris_L 6 5.5k United Kingdom
18 Jan 2020 5:32PM
I would never want to stop people punting a few pounds on the Lotto or the Grand National etc.

I think there is an urgent need for gambling controls . Broadly speaking, I think there are 3 types of gambling:

1) Luck of the draw: Things like Lotto, casino table games like roulette, card games like Poker and Blackjack - where you play the odds and in some cases you can do it skilfully like top poker players. But for most of us, it's like flipping a coin. Putting your money on red or on the number of your house etc.

2) Sports and Events: Predicting which team, horse, athlete, golfer etc will prevail - will score first, win the whole competition. Feels fair, feels like you know where you stand, that you can back an underdog, that sometimes you actually can beat the bookies.

3) The Vile Addictive Dopamine Driven Gambling Equivalent of Crack Cocaine: Electronic gambling machines, apps and websites which repeatedly use yesterday's statistics to hone today's algorithms in order to ensure that players stay for longer and lose more. Most of the games are 'virtual', are predetermined rather than pseudo random and are heavily dependent on using psychological tricks to manipulate punters. Some of these tricks have made their way into the second type, the sport and event betting type. Many are used in teen video games to keep players online for hours, buying virtual add-ons etc.

We need to get rid of type 3, only harm will come from allowing it.
gcarth Plus
15 3.4k 1 United Kingdom
18 Jan 2020 5:52PM


Quote:We need to get rid of type 3, only harm will come from allowing it
I agree. Banning all gambling would be a step too far.
pablophotographer 8 1.5k 364
19 Jan 2020 12:58AM
I had said that before but it does not harm to repeat it. Buy yourself a film SLR or rangefinder, load it with film and bet with yourself how many good pictures you can take in a single 36 frames roll of film. The result is a win-win for yourself and the people that still develop film =)
gcarth Plus
15 3.4k 1 United Kingdom
19 Jan 2020 9:16AM

Quote: Buy yourself a film SLR or rangefinder, load it with film and bet with yourself how many good pictures you can take in a single 36 frames roll of film. The result is a win-win for yourself and the people that still develop film =)

If shooting and developing film wasn't such a messy and convolted process I might be tempted (I still have an Olympus OM2 and a Yashicamat 6x6mm camera). Anyway, I think the difference in quality between film prints and digital prints is subjective.
I would not like to see the complete demise of film photography but I prefer the relative ease of producing high quality prints from a digital camera.
Another great advantage - not often mentioned - of using digital cameras is that they produce meta data and so the time, date, exposure details, etc. are automatically recorded.

Sorry Hobbo - my attention seems to have been diverted from the topic of gambling.SadWink

One thing I would place a bet on is there have been millions more cameras sold and photos taken as a result of the digital photography revolution.Smile

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