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Tier 4; rules, guidelines or laws?


Jestertheclown 12 8.4k 253 England
20 Dec 2020 7:11PM
I find myself, yet again, forced into lockdown; carefully renamed "Tier 4," presumably to avoid allowing Parliament to vote on its enforcement (or otherwise).

My question is a simple one; are these so-called rules actually guidelines or have they somehow, quietly been ensconced into law?

Does anyone actually know?

I've tried Google but to no avail.
Dave_Canon 14 1.9k United Kingdom
20 Dec 2020 7:42PM
I have seen the statement "will be law" but not sure. It could be that the last parliamentary approval covered variations as required. Tier 4 is a great shame. The Government and PM could be accused of dithering and lack of clarity but this will not change the fact that the Virus is here. Are you suggesting that you will not follow the advice, if it is not actually law?

Dave
Jestertheclown 12 8.4k 253 England
20 Dec 2020 8:17PM
Yes, the expression "passed into law" was mentioned in (I think) the Daily Express but it was only a mention. There was nothing more specific and that was all that I could find.
I don't really know what "advice" they're trying to force upon us.
As far as I can make out, everything that applied during previous lockdowns has just been reinstated and given a different name.
As for whether I shall be bound bt it, my answer is the same as during those previous lockdowns.
I have large(ish) dog and because of where I live I have access to plenty of open countryside so I shall be out and about as I (and he) feel like it.
My fairly regular trips to London will have to be curtailed since the museums and places that I'd normally go to will be closed although I'd quite like to photograph the place while it's deserted.
I'd planned that during the original lockdown but never got around to it. I might go this time.
Regarding Christmas, my plans weren't particularly grand anyway.
My daughter and her boyfriend will be spending Christmas Day at his parents' house and on Boxing Day, my in-laws are coming here, as, in fact, they've been doing throughout all of this business.
Apart from the inconvenience of various shops and places being closed, this lockdown won't really affect me a great deal.

keithh 17 25.7k 33 Wallis And Futuna
20 Dec 2020 8:23PM
If you’re in a Tier 4 area then other than exercise and food shopping, you should be staying at home. You sure as hell shouldn’t be walking the streets of London and on Boxing Day, nobody should be visiting anybody.

If we follow the rules, then maybe, hopefully we won’t be in a **** storm come the middle of January.
20 Dec 2020 9:13PM
Everybody who isn't required to leave their home for work should not be going anywhere and the police will enforce these rules, if you live in tier 4. Tier 3 can have a visit on Christmas day from a person in their bubble. I believe if you go to the BBC website they have the rules laid out very clearly.
Personally I wouldn't want to cause the death of someone else, nor would I want someone else to cause my death.
DaveRyder Plus
6 5.0k 7 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2020 9:24PM
From gov.uk

TIER 4
Jestertheclown 12 8.4k 253 England
20 Dec 2020 9:28PM
Thanks Dave, I found that earlier.

It doesn't answer my question though.

Have these "rules" been passed into law?
20 Dec 2020 9:36PM
It's a sad fact of human nature that there are always certain individuals whose selfish attitude means they will go their own way regardless of any advice aimed at protecting them, and protecting others. Their personal freedom is the most important thing, and so they will please themselves. Rules are just for other people. Such arrogance is quite staggering.
spaceman 16 5.3k 3 Wales
21 Dec 2020 3:19AM

Quote:If you’re in a Tier 4 area then other than exercise and food shopping, you should be staying at home. You sure as hell shouldn’t be walking the streets of London and on Boxing Day, nobody should be visiting anybody.

If we follow the rules, then maybe, hopefully we won’t be in a **** storm come the middle of January.



We've been hearing that since March. Each lockdown should be the last, one last push etc. Meanwhile, "scientists say" that we could be stuck with it until...

2022
altitude50 16 21.3k United Kingdom
21 Dec 2020 7:43AM
It is worth studying the following. It is as clear as mud as to what is advice? what is a rule? what is a law?!

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8875/CBP-8875.pdf

I have been in self isolation since March the 6th and am now in Tier 4 and I am fairly clear what the current Gov. advice is. But as to the actual Law????
capto Plus
8 6.5k 23 United Kingdom
21 Dec 2020 9:14AM
Just use common sense and stay safe.
21 Dec 2020 9:18AM
As human beings we are autonomous - we can choose to steal, murder, burn and destroy but the vast majority of us do not do these things as we know that it impinges on others rights by taking away things that they wish to have like their jewellery, their home, their village or their life. It is the way as a civilized(?) population we agree to join the human race and live our lives to try and make the world a good place for everyone to live in. The rules for Tier 4, and the rules for those in other tiers are there to protect everyone. If we were all to ignore the rules then within a decade mankind would be wiped from the earth. Is that what you want jester - to leave this planet for the animals to enjoy with no fear from humainity?
21 Dec 2020 9:29AM

Quote:As human beings we are autonomous - we can choose to steal, murder, burn and destroy but the vast majority of us do not do these things as we know that it impinges on others rights by taking away things that they wish to have like their jewellery, their home, their village or their life. It is the way as a civilized(?) population we agree to join the human race and live our lives to try and make the world a good place for everyone to live in. The rules for Tier 4, and the rules for those in other tiers are there to protect everyone. If we were all to ignore the rules then within a decade mankind would be wiped from the earth. Is that what you want jester - to leave this planet for the animals to enjoy with no fear from humainity?

Well said.
Jestertheclown 12 8.4k 253 England
21 Dec 2020 9:37AM
A bit melodramatic Angie.

Even Witless and Vacant haven't used that line of scaremongering yet.
Big Bri 19 16.6k United Kingdom
21 Dec 2020 11:10AM
Yes, it's law.


Quote: my in-laws are coming here, as, in fact, they've been doing throughout all of this business.


We're still in this **** storm because of attitudes like that.

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