Tier 4; rules, guidelines or laws?

I find myself, yet again, forced into lockdown; carefully renamed "Tier 4," presumably to avoid allowing Parliament to vote on its enforcement (or otherwise). My question is a simple one; are these so-called rules actually guidelines or have they somehow, quietly been ensconced into law? Does anyone [i]actually[/i] know? I've tried Google but to no avail.

I find myself, yet again, forced into lockdown; carefully renamed "Tier 4," presumably to avoid allowing Parliament to vote on its enforcement (or otherwise).

My question is a simple one; are these so-called rules actually guidelines or have they somehow, quietly been ensconced into law?

Does anyone actually know?

I've tried Google but to no avail.

I have seen the statement "will be law" but not sure. It could be that the last parliamentary approval covered variations as required. Tier 4 is a great shame. The Government and PM could be accused of dithering and lack of clarity but this will not change the fact that the Virus is here. Are you suggesting that you will not follow the advice, if it is not actually law? Dave

I have seen the statement "will be law" but not sure. It could be that the last parliamentary approval covered variations as required. Tier 4 is a great shame. The Government and PM could be accused of dithering and lack of clarity but this will not change the fact that the Virus is here. Are you suggesting that you will not follow the advice, if it is not actually law?

Dave

Yes, the expression "passed into law" was mentioned in (I think) the Daily Express but it was only a mention. There was nothing more specific and that was all that I could find. I don't really know what "advice" they're trying to force upon us. As far as I can make out, everything that applied during previous lockdowns has just been reinstated and given a different name. As for whether I shall be bound bt it, my answer is the same as during those previous lockdowns. I have large(ish) dog and because of where I live I have access to plenty of open countryside so I shall be out and about as I (and he) feel like it. My fairly regular trips to London will have to be curtailed since the museums and places that I'd normally go to will be closed although I'd quite like to photograph the place while it's deserted. I'd planned that during the original lockdown but never got around to it. I might go this time. Regarding Christmas, my plans weren't particularly grand anyway. My daughter and her boyfriend will be spending Christmas Day at his parents' house and on Boxing Day, my in-laws are coming here, as, in fact, they've been doing throughout all of this business. Apart from the inconvenience of various shops and places being closed, this lockdown won't really affect me a great deal.

Yes, the expression "passed into law" was mentioned in (I think) the Daily Express but it was only a mention. There was nothing more specific and that was all that I could find.
I don't really know what "advice" they're trying to force upon us.
As far as I can make out, everything that applied during previous lockdowns has just been reinstated and given a different name.
As for whether I shall be bound bt it, my answer is the same as during those previous lockdowns.
I have large(ish) dog and because of where I live I have access to plenty of open countryside so I shall be out and about as I (and he) feel like it.
My fairly regular trips to London will have to be curtailed since the museums and places that I'd normally go to will be closed although I'd quite like to photograph the place while it's deserted.
I'd planned that during the original lockdown but never got around to it. I might go this time.
Regarding Christmas, my plans weren't particularly grand anyway.
My daughter and her boyfriend will be spending Christmas Day at his parents' house and on Boxing Day, my in-laws are coming here, as, in fact, they've been doing throughout all of this business.
Apart from the inconvenience of various shops and places being closed, this lockdown won't really affect me a great deal.

If you’re in a Tier 4 area then other than exercise and food shopping, you should be staying at home. You sure as hell shouldn’t be walking the streets of London and on Boxing Day, nobody should be visiting anybody. If we follow the rules, then maybe, hopefully we won’t be in a shit storm come the middle of January.

If you’re in a Tier 4 area then other than exercise and food shopping, you should be staying at home. You sure as hell shouldn’t be walking the streets of London and on Boxing Day, nobody should be visiting anybody.

If we follow the rules, then maybe, hopefully we won’t be in a **** storm come the middle of January.

Everybody who isn't required to leave their home for work should not be going anywhere [i]and the police will enforce these rules[/i], if you live in tier 4. Tier 3 can have a visit on Christmas day from a person in their bubble. I believe if you go to the BBC website they have the rules laid out very clearly. Personally I wouldn't want to cause the death of someone else, nor would I want someone else to cause my death.

Everybody who isn't required to leave their home for work should not be going anywhere and the police will enforce these rules, if you live in tier 4. Tier 3 can have a visit on Christmas day from a person in their bubble. I believe if you go to the BBC website they have the rules laid out very clearly.
Personally I wouldn't want to cause the death of someone else, nor would I want someone else to cause my death.

From gov.uk [link=https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home]TIER 4[/link]

From gov.uk

TIER 4

Thanks Dave, I found that earlier. It doesn't answer my question though. Have these "rules" been passed into law?

Thanks Dave, I found that earlier.

It doesn't answer my question though.

Have these "rules" been passed into law?

It's a sad fact of human nature that there are always certain individuals whose selfish attitude means they will go their own way regardless of any advice aimed at protecting them, and protecting others. Their personal freedom is the most important thing, and so they will please themselves. Rules are just for other people. Such arrogance is quite staggering.

It's a sad fact of human nature that there are always certain individuals whose selfish attitude means they will go their own way regardless of any advice aimed at protecting them, and protecting others. Their personal freedom is the most important thing, and so they will please themselves. Rules are just for other people. Such arrogance is quite staggering.

[quote]If you’re in a Tier 4 area then other than exercise and food shopping, you should be staying at home. You sure as hell shouldn’t be walking the streets of London and on Boxing Day, nobody should be visiting anybody. If we follow the rules, then maybe, hopefully we won’t be in a shit storm come the middle of January. [/quote] We've been hearing that since March. Each lockdown should be the last, one last push etc. Meanwhile, "scientists say" that we could be stuck with it until... [link=https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-living-with-coronavirus-2022-scientists-b43471.html]2022[/link]

Quote:If you’re in a Tier 4 area then other than exercise and food shopping, you should be staying at home. You sure as hell shouldn’t be walking the streets of London and on Boxing Day, nobody should be visiting anybody.

If we follow the rules, then maybe, hopefully we won’t be in a **** storm come the middle of January.


We've been hearing that since March. Each lockdown should be the last, one last push etc. Meanwhile, "scientists say" that we could be stuck with it until...

2022

It is worth studying the following. It is as clear as mud as to what is advice? what is a rule? what is a law?! https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8875/CBP-8875.pdf I have been in self isolation since March the 6th and am now in Tier 4 and I am fairly clear what the current Gov. advice is. But as to the actual Law????

It is worth studying the following. It is as clear as mud as to what is advice? what is a rule? what is a law?!

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8875/CBP-8875.pdf

I have been in self isolation since March the 6th and am now in Tier 4 and I am fairly clear what the current Gov. advice is. But as to the actual Law????

Just use common sense and stay safe.

Just use common sense and stay safe.

As human beings we are autonomous - we [i]can[/i] choose to steal, murder, burn and destroy but the vast majority of us do not do these things as we know that it impinges on others rights by taking away things that they wish to have like their jewellery, their home, their village or their life. It is the way as a civilized(?) population we agree to join the human race and live our lives to try and make the world a good place for everyone to live in. The rules for Tier 4, and the rules for those in other tiers are there to protect everyone. If we were [b]all[/b] to ignore the rules then within a decade mankind would be wiped from the earth. Is that what you want jester - to leave this planet for the animals to enjoy with no fear from humainity?

As human beings we are autonomous - we can choose to steal, murder, burn and destroy but the vast majority of us do not do these things as we know that it impinges on others rights by taking away things that they wish to have like their jewellery, their home, their village or their life. It is the way as a civilized(?) population we agree to join the human race and live our lives to try and make the world a good place for everyone to live in. The rules for Tier 4, and the rules for those in other tiers are there to protect everyone. If we were all to ignore the rules then within a decade mankind would be wiped from the earth. Is that what you want jester - to leave this planet for the animals to enjoy with no fear from humainity?

[quote]As human beings we are autonomous - we [i]can[/i] choose to steal, murder, burn and destroy but the vast majority of us do not do these things as we know that it impinges on others rights by taking away things that they wish to have like their jewellery, their home, their village or their life. It is the way as a civilized(?) population we agree to join the human race and live our lives to try and make the world a good place for everyone to live in. The rules for Tier 4, and the rules for those in other tiers are there to protect everyone. If we were [b]all[/b] to ignore the rules then within a decade mankind would be wiped from the earth. Is that what you want jester - to leave this planet for the animals to enjoy with no fear from humainity?[/quote] Well said.

Quote:As human beings we are autonomous - we can choose to steal, murder, burn and destroy but the vast majority of us do not do these things as we know that it impinges on others rights by taking away things that they wish to have like their jewellery, their home, their village or their life. It is the way as a civilized(?) population we agree to join the human race and live our lives to try and make the world a good place for everyone to live in. The rules for Tier 4, and the rules for those in other tiers are there to protect everyone. If we were all to ignore the rules then within a decade mankind would be wiped from the earth. Is that what you want jester - to leave this planet for the animals to enjoy with no fear from humainity?

Well said.

A bit melodramatic Angie. Even Witless and Vacant haven't used that line of scaremongering yet.

A bit melodramatic Angie.

Even Witless and Vacant haven't used that line of scaremongering yet.

Yes, it's law. [quote] my in-laws are coming here, as, in fact, they've been doing throughout all of this business.[/quote] We're still in this shit storm because of attitudes like that.

Yes, it's law.


Quote: my in-laws are coming here, as, in fact, they've been doing throughout all of this business.


We're still in this **** storm because of attitudes like that.