Vaccine - Covid 19

I see great/encouraging news today on the vaccine development front today. However it needs to be taken up widely - will you have it. My daughter (36yrs), I thought reasonably educated, has said not. I do not understand this. I would incentivise the inoculation - tie to biometric passport info. No inoculation then no international travel. Or something similar. I volunteered for one of the initial trials, although not chosen. Will you be have the injection ?

I see great/encouraging news today on the vaccine development front today.

However it needs to be taken up widely - will you have it.
My daughter (36yrs), I thought reasonably educated, has said not. I do not understand this.

I would incentivise the inoculation - tie to biometric passport info. No inoculation then no international travel. Or something similar.

I volunteered for one of the initial trials, although not chosen.

Will you be have the injection ?

As they are to be offered to those on the front line and those most at risk in the first instance I think your daughter (unless she has an illness which puts her in a priority category) won't be offered one immediately. Or perhaps she too is thinking of those most at risk and thinking her needs may be far less than many others. I am guessing, Dave (if your daughter is 36) then you will come in the elderly category and therefore will probably be quite high on the list of those offered it.

As they are to be offered to those on the front line and those most at risk in the first instance I think your daughter (unless she has an illness which puts her in a priority category) won't be offered one immediately. Or perhaps she too is thinking of those most at risk and thinking her needs may be far less than many others. I am guessing, Dave (if your daughter is 36) then you will come in the elderly category and therefore will probably be quite high on the list of those offered it.

Wait and see first, they say it is 90% effective so wait and see it is the first day, yes, I would have one.

Wait and see first, they say it is 90% effective so wait and see it is the first day, yes, I would have one.

I am already queuing

I am already queuing

[quote] unless she has an illness which puts her in a priority category) won't be offered one immediately. Or perhaps she too is thinking of those [/quote] I'd like to say you're correct but sadly no, another antivaccer I'm afraid.

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unless she has an illness which puts her in a priority category) won't be offered one immediately. Or perhaps she too is thinking of those


I'd like to say you're correct but sadly no, another antivaccer I'm afraid.

Great news, but it does seem a bit soon to me. I will have a vaccine, but only further down the line. Enough time has to pass to ensure there are no nasty side effects.

Great news, but it does seem a bit soon to me. I will have a vaccine, but only further down the line. Enough time has to pass to ensure there are no nasty side effects.

I will certainly take up when offered. Not having the vaccine puts other at risk so it is not just yourself. Most of those who are against current vaccines do so based on false information. Maybe Farage will set up his anti-Vaccine party once his Anti Lockdown party fails. To be fair I never used to have the flu vaccine largely because I had no recollection of ever having flu. My GP was happy with this until three years ago when I had a number of health issues and he suggested that I was at much greater risk so should have it. I did so with no problems but struggled to get vaccinated this year as the surgery ran out long before they has vaccinated even the vulnerable patients. Dave

I will certainly take up when offered. Not having the vaccine puts other at risk so it is not just yourself. Most of those who are against current vaccines do so based on false information. Maybe Farage will set up his anti-Vaccine party once his Anti Lockdown party fails.

To be fair I never used to have the flu vaccine largely because I had no recollection of ever having flu. My GP was happy with this until three years ago when I had a number of health issues and he suggested that I was at much greater risk so should have it. I did so with no problems but struggled to get vaccinated this year as the surgery ran out long before they has vaccinated even the vulnerable patients.

Dave

Just about got our flu vaccines in in time. I've had flu once and it was debilitating.

Just about got our flu vaccines in in time. I've had flu once and it was debilitating.

It's encouraging news, but for myself I will want better than 90% reliability before I consider returning to anything like pre-Covid normality.

It's encouraging news, but for myself I will want better than 90% reliability before I consider returning to anything like pre-Covid normality.

I want anything to get rid of this situation...

I want anything to get rid of this situation...

On the face of it, a vaccine is very welcome but I think it is unfair to label all anti-vaxxers as being conspiracy theorists. The fact is that some vaccines have created serious and life changing side-effects in the past. If the Pharma organisations were more transparent, people might not be so prone to believe in conspiracy theories.

On the face of it, a vaccine is very welcome but I think it is unfair to label all anti-vaxxers as being conspiracy theorists.
The fact is that some vaccines have created serious and life changing side-effects in the past.
If the Pharma organisations were more transparent, people might not be so prone to believe in conspiracy theories.

90% effectively produces Herd Immunity in the population. There are so few people that it can get to at that point, that it essentially dies out naturally. You don't need 100% for it to be effective. The Measles jab is only 90% effective, but it had practically eradicated it from this country, until the anti-vaccers started to spread their misinformation and got parents scared.

90% effectively produces Herd Immunity in the population. There are so few people that it can get to at that point, that it essentially dies out naturally. You don't need 100% for it to be effective. The Measles jab is only 90% effective, but it had practically eradicated it from this country, until the anti-vaccers started to spread their misinformation and got parents scared.

I'm one of the clinically vulnerable brigade so I'll have it as soon as it's offered.

I'm one of the clinically vulnerable brigade so I'll have it as soon as it's offered.

[quote]The fact is that some vaccines have created serious and life changing side-effects in the past[/quote]Indeed, but isn't that why there are so many stringent tests that the scientists have to go through? From what I've been reading the data for the Pfizer / BioNTech trial was independently verified - I caught the tail end of an interview with someone from Pfizer on the radio this afternoon, I've haven't heard anyone that happy about anything for a long, long time. The speed does seem remarkably, and its one of many that look like they could be effective - and not all use the same process. As I understand it the Pfizer one will need to be stored in ultra low temperatures and this looks like its going to be a bit of a challenge. The Oxford Uni one could maybe provide an alternative, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough! I do think its healthy to have a degree of scepticism but this is why it is fundamental that our governments and scientists are transparent which in turn allows the public to have faith in said governments, because without it there there will be a huge uphill struggle to convince people to take up a vaccine. What I do find particularly sad is the exploitation of 'anti-vaxers' by both social and main stream media outlets.

Quote:The fact is that some vaccines have created serious and life changing side-effects in the past
Indeed, but isn't that why there are so many stringent tests that the scientists have to go through? From what I've been reading the data for the Pfizer / BioNTech trial was independently verified - I caught the tail end of an interview with someone from Pfizer on the radio this afternoon, I've haven't heard anyone that happy about anything for a long, long time. The speed does seem remarkably, and its one of many that look like they could be effective - and not all use the same process. As I understand it the Pfizer one will need to be stored in ultra low temperatures and this looks like its going to be a bit of a challenge. The Oxford Uni one could maybe provide an alternative, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough!

I do think its healthy to have a degree of scepticism but this is why it is fundamental that our governments and scientists are transparent which in turn allows the public to have faith in said governments, because without it there there will be a huge uphill struggle to convince people to take up a vaccine.

What I do find particularly sad is the exploitation of 'anti-vaxers' by both social and main stream media outlets.

[quote]On the face of it, a vaccine is very welcome but I think it is unfair to label all anti-vaxxers as being conspiracy theorists. The fact is that some vaccines have created serious and life changing side-effects in the past. If the Pharma organisations were more transparent, people might not be so prone to believe in conspiracy theories.[/quote] Of course there are some risks though very small. As a parent I also had to take this decision with my children and we decided that they should be vaccinated. If everyone or most refused the vaccination, the number cases of serious illness and death would be much higher. Dave

Quote:On the face of it, a vaccine is very welcome but I think it is unfair to label all anti-vaxxers as being conspiracy theorists.
The fact is that some vaccines have created serious and life changing side-effects in the past.
If the Pharma organisations were more transparent, people might not be so prone to believe in conspiracy theories.


Of course there are some risks though very small. As a parent I also had to take this decision with my children and we decided that they should be vaccinated. If everyone or most refused the vaccination, the number cases of serious illness and death would be much higher.

Dave