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ljesmith 17 1.1k United Kingdom
16 May 2005 1:45AM
Do the people on this site only want to see pretty sunsets or fluffy animals, which seems to be the case (I forgor primary colours as well), because as a photographer who specialises in black and white social photography I am getting more despondant about putting images on here every day.
It seems to me that the site is moving more towards a wildlife appreciation site than photography.

Feel free to tear me apart.
keithh 17 25.8k 33 Wallis And Futuna
16 May 2005 1:50AM
Trouble is Luke, you can't go against fashion, well you can, but the appeal will be limited. It's true that Social Photography isn't as popular as it once was...although I'm of the opinion that's it's popularity was more down to magazine editors influencing the publics views. Sadly, those magazines no longer exist, or their numbers have dwindled.

On the plus side, the odd image will still attract attaention, but it has to say something, or show something other than that which many people see eveyday of the mundane lives.
kit-monster 17 3.7k 2 Singapore
16 May 2005 1:57AM
It's the time of year . . . for a lot of us who aren't full time photographers, we are governed by the seasons and the available daylight. Before the clocks changed, evening photography Monday to Friday wasn't an option. Also, the countryside wasn't looking it's best. Now there are flowers and new growth, fields of butterflies and birds everywhere. It's hardly surprising therefore that the gallery fills up with these images. I guess the same goes for sunsets - it's what people can shoot after work.

I recently posted some architectural shots and although I didn't get as many clicks or comments, the comments I did get were detailed and generally more informative.

I like to think of the gallery as a bit like a TV schedule. It's 70% soaps, make overs and reality TV. But buried in there, with low viewing figures are some real gems.

Don't be put off by the apart success and overwhelming number of wildlife / sunset shots. Stick to what you like and go take some gems.
ljesmith 17 1.1k United Kingdom
16 May 2005 1:58AM
But I think it's important to show peoples everyday lives through my photography, not brush them under the carpet and just look at the pretty stuff, and as I said this site was meant to be about appreciating and understanding photography in all it's facets, now we just seem to be looking at wildlife all day.
And as far as being put off goes, I've been driven to do this type of photography for many years, and I ain't going to stop now.
kit-monster 17 3.7k 2 Singapore
16 May 2005 2:04AM

Quote:this site was meant to be about appreciating and understanding photography in all it's facets

Not sure where you got this from. As far as I can tell, there's nothing saying what the gallery is for. The fact that you can post anything that's legal and there are a very broad range of categories, implies that there is no restriction and it is for photography in all it's facets.
keithh 17 25.8k 33 Wallis And Futuna
16 May 2005 2:11AM
I think it's important to show people's everyday lives, Luke.....but the people not invloved in those particular shots have everyday lives of their own.

When I'm involved in Historical Research, something I do a lot of, I'm always in the debt of those who saw fit to record everyday life....and one day in the future someone will thankyou too, Luke.
laura16 17 606
16 May 2005 2:18AM
I have to agree with Keith here about past photographers taking the time to document everyday life. I do think there are a fair number of people who still do this sort of thing so there is a record for the future. I can see what Luke is saying though as I suppose people who aren't interested the same way would be drawn towards the pretty, eye catching stuff and likely skip over a photo of somebody, say, pegging out the washing! There is always going to be somebody interested though Luke so keep posting.
keithh 17 25.8k 33 Wallis And Futuna
16 May 2005 2:22AM
You have to back to the very start and remember that it was such a novelty to capture everyday people doing everyday things...the camera was a novelty full stop...think of all those images from the late 19thC where whole streets have come to a stop for the photogapher.

How many people these days would turn up at the local town hall to watch a movie of themselves leaving work..and yet at one time they did in their thousands.

Fashion....thankfully, Luke, it's cyclical.
ljesmith 17 1.1k United Kingdom
16 May 2005 2:27AM
Very true Keith, the reasons I do this are a bit deeper than just recording what is happening everyday, I like the process of taking photographs of everyday things and making people look at these things in a way they would never do normally, very much in the same vain as Marcell Duchamp when he signed a urinal and called it art. I believe that it is more the thought behind something that can make it more than just a photograph or just a painting, but then I'm probably very much in the minority around here.
kit-monster 17 3.7k 2 Singapore
16 May 2005 2:31AM
Yes, Luke you are in the minority because this is a very open photography site. Maybe if we didn't have the main gallery view and could only browse by category then your work wouldn't be lost in the see of robins at sunset.
laura16 17 606
16 May 2005 2:32AM
A couple of months ago our Post Office announced it was to close. It was the same as it had been ever since I could remember and quite old-fashioned so I asked the postmaster if I could take some photos of the inside before it shut. He did seem very happy to let me and so feeling brave I approached the owners of the last remaining 2 shops in that street to do the same. The were surprised but quite pleased. With most of these shops closing down over the last 5 years it won't be long before that street becomes just another residential one. I am pleased I managed to capture the last shops on film and hopefully they may be of interest in the future, though if I were to upload them to the gallery nobody would give them a second look. At the end of the day you take photos for yourself, it's nice when people look at your uploads and like them but if it's not a 'popular' choice of subject it's never going to generate the same interest.
ljesmith 17 1.1k United Kingdom
16 May 2005 2:39AM
I wouldn't mind so much if my photography was bad, but I don't think that is the case, it has taken a lot of time to get to the level where I can go into a room of strangers and use available light at low speeds and get photographs of people who relax when I photograph them, a level of photographic and social skills that takes time to get right, but there doesn't seem to be much appreciation for this either, it seems that lots of poeple know how hard it is to take a picture of a bird at the bottom of the garden though.
kit-monster 17 3.7k 2 Singapore
16 May 2005 2:41AM
I've often thought that this site is missing an option to load series of shots. Much of the documentary style photography needs to be seen as a series. With Laura's example, each shot probably wouldn't have much impact or have much comment but posted a series, would be of much more interest and context make more sense.
Pete 20 18.8k 97 England
16 May 2005 2:48AM
Luke I really hope you don't get despondent and stop posting. If everyone who shot not-so-mainstream subjects takes the same view we will end up with a site of wildlife and nature photos. We do need a balance, and that's where you and others like you can help Smile
mark a. 17 920 United Kingdom
16 May 2005 2:48AM
I agree there Ed. Maybe not necessarily load as a series, but to be able to group photos into sub-portfolios, or presentations, of similar shots. So if, say, you love taking photos of steam trains and flowers, rather than having them mixed up in the portfolio, you can have 2 separate train and floral subportfoios. It would work great for a documentary series.

Any thoughts Pete?

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