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What truckers are faced with in Calais


thewilliam 12 6.1k
7 Jul 2015 6:32PM
Just read a very disturbing article about the nefarious activities of would-be migrants in Calais. It seems that some of them are threatening drivers with an assortment of weapons, even knives and guns. Do we really want such people in the UK?

http://cars.aol.co.uk/2015/07/07/trucking-body-suggests-using-french-military-to-protect-drivers/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl7%7Csec3_lnk5%26pLid%3D363731
collywobles 16 4.0k 10 United Kingdom
7 Jul 2015 8:44PM
Saw this reported a couple of days ago, I would not want to be a truck driver over there at the moment. Why are the French Police not checking this......

I struggle to understand why there are so many trying so hard to get into the UK, given that they are unlikely to get accommodation, a job, or benefits of any kind .and therefore likely to end up sleeping on the streets If they don't already know this its time the UK Government along with the French made this very clear.
keithh 16 25.7k 33 Wallis And Futuna
7 Jul 2015 8:46PM
Whatever you tell them, they've already been told the streets are paved in gold.
chris.maddock 19 3.7k United Kingdom
7 Jul 2015 9:10PM

Quote:Saw this reported a couple of days ago, I would not want to be a truck driver over there at the moment. Why are the French Police not checking this.....


Because it's easier to let them get across the Channel, out of sight out of mind?

TBH, the migrants shouldn't even be getting as far as Calais, they didn't get off their boats there. The French authorities "should" be dealing with them at the point of entry - either processing their claims for asylum if they landed on the French coast or returning them to the country through whose border with France they crossed or the country where they first landed if that can be established.
Nick_w Plus
13 4.3k 99 England
7 Jul 2015 9:14PM
Desperation, when you put everything at risk by hanging on to the chassis of a vehicle, or worse an aircraft undercarriage . When refugees cram onto a dingy in their hundreds it say a lot about the land they a fleeing that they risk everything.

What we see in the UK is nothing, if you travel to say France the shanty towns on the Paris underpasses - it's shocking.

The problems Italy is facing from refugees from North Africa puts our immigration problems in to context.
thewilliam 12 6.1k
7 Jul 2015 10:32PM

Quote:Whatever you tell them, they've already been told the streets are paved in gold.


It must be a very special day because I agree with Keith!

Do our political masters realise that, thanks to the mobile phone network, successful non-EU migrants can report back to their countryman about the relative generosity of the UK benefits system, the way that asylum seekers get housing and enjoy a good lifestyle without having to work.

Some immigrants do become a real asset to their adopted country. Two of my friends were evicted from Uganda during the Amin era. One was arrested at his place of work, taken to the airport, stripped of wallet, watch, jewellery, keys to his car and house etc before being deported to the UK. Both friends have worked hard to build a new life.
keithh 16 25.7k 33 Wallis And Futuna
7 Jul 2015 10:39PM
Well you were doing alright up to the mythical lifestyle enjoyed by asylum seekers. Most of the illegal immigrants that successfully sneak in to the UK with the aid of the French will end up on the streets, completely detached from any welfare or housing system.

Paul Morgan 19 19.5k 6 England
7 Jul 2015 11:05PM
Or end up working illegally.
mikehit 11 8.0k 13 United Kingdom
8 Jul 2015 7:36AM

Quote:Well you were doing alright up to the mythical lifestyle enjoyed by asylum seekers.



It may well be myth but there is a point where perception becomes 'reality'.
How many people in the Gold Rush gave up jobs and went west to pan their fortune. The fact that so very few ever succeeded didn't stop thousands trying. Nor do the mathematical realities stop millions of people buying a lottery ticket in the hope of winning the big one - and I guess when your life is pretty **** in your home country, any chance at all is worth taking - simply knowing that the NHS will take care of you will be a massive improvement over many countries.




Quote:Most of the illegal immigrants that successfully sneak in to the UK with the aid of the French will end up on the streets, completely detached from any welfare or housing system.




Unfortunately those stories don't make it back home.
IreneClarke Plus
5 1.3k 2 United Kingdom
8 Jul 2015 7:36AM
Maybe mine is a simplistic view - surely the crux of the problem is that people have to flee their own country in the first place - the only real solution in my opinion is that the 'originating' country should be creating a place in which their own people are proud to live then the vast majority would not feel the need to flee and put their lives at risk to live elsewhere.

I do agree that any country they travel through should be taking responsibility and action at the point of entry which is of course all Britain is trying to do.

collywobles 16 4.0k 10 United Kingdom
8 Jul 2015 7:40AM

Quote:relative generosity of the UK benefits system, the way that asylum seekers get housing and enjoy a good lifestyle without having to work.


do you really believe this........
Big Bri 19 16.6k United Kingdom
8 Jul 2015 8:19AM
1. everyone knows how great Britain is, because we've been travelling round the world telling people for centuries.
2. there are many people leaving their countries because they are unstable regimes, which our Government is partly responsible for

If we stopped interfering in other countries we wouldn't have this situation. Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad - all not very nice people but at least their countries had some stability. Have we really improved life for the average person in Libya, Iraq or Syria?
Steppenwolf 9 1.2k
8 Jul 2015 8:29AM

Quote:
TBH, the migrants shouldn't even be getting as far as Calais, they didn't get off their boats there. The French authorities "should" be dealing with them at the point of entry - either processing their claims for asylum if they landed on the French coast or returning them to the country through whose border with France they crossed or the country where they first landed if that can be established.



That's the way it should work but that doesn't happen very often. According to the EU common asylum policy an "asylum seeker" must ask for asylum in the first country they reach. That country should then "process" them, which involves putting their fingerprints on the European database (so that they can be identified if they go to another EU country) recording their papers (if they have any) and detained. This doesn't happen though, because a) Italy and Greece (where most of them pitch up) don't want them in their country and b) the migrants don't want to try to get asylum in Italy or Greece (because there are no jobs, they don't talk the language and these countries don't like migrants).

So what happens is that the Italian/Greek authorities give them some money and tell them where to catch the train to France. In theory, under Schengen, they can travel through most of Europe without showing any papers, but in practice France have suspended Schengen and French police board the train at the first French station and round up any blacks with no papers and put them on the train back to Italy. But of course they keep on trying and most eventually get to Calais, where the French provide rudimentary shelter and washing facilities while they try to get to England. The border patrols try to prevent them boarding lorries but when they catch them they just let them go - there are too many to do anything else. So they carry on trying until they make it.

Of course the French think that the border checking should be done in England nor Calais - and that the UK should be booted out of the EU unless it joins Schengen. Then all their undesirables can be sent to England.
mikehit 11 8.0k 13 United Kingdom
8 Jul 2015 9:35AM

Quote:
If we stopped interfering in other countries we wouldn't have this situation. Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad - all not very nice people but at least their countries had some stability. Have we really improved life for the average person in Libya, Iraq or Syria?



And that is the big dilemma, especially for those who cried for us to help the people in their burst for freedom of the 'Arab Spring' - a weird confluence of thought between a sector of the left who seem to want us to atone for all our sins of the past by helping oppressed peoples, and a sector of the right who want us crush any evil dictator on the communist/socialist end of things.
A classic case of 'be careful what you wish for because it might come true'.

But we do have another factor in this and that is the rise of Boko Harem and a myriad of like-minded groups. many of the refugees are fleeing the brutalities of those religious extremists.

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