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Would this persuade readers to vote Labour?


4 Feb 2018 11:45AM
Would this persuade readers to vote Labour?

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/02/04/adams-backs-outstanding-corbyn-for-pm/

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KenTaylor Plus
13 3.1k 2 United Kingdom
4 Feb 2018 1:47PM
4 Feb 2018 2:36PM
I don't think this will do any good for Labour. I'm not impressed with Corbyn. What bugs me most is the PC brigade that infiltrate the majority of the political parties today. Labour seem to lap it up more than most. The recent sacking of a minister who spoke out against the transgender agenda is one example.
4 Feb 2018 2:46PM
What really impresses me about Labour is the way they view the economic situation.

With them, there's no need for austerity. Instead, they see huge sums of money available to spend. All student loans can be forgiven, tuition fees abolished and public services revitalised.
Railcam 11 664 1 Scotland
4 Feb 2018 2:56PM
Being in opposition means that they can promise the earth because they do not have to deliver.

We currently have austerity in order to pay the interest on all the borrowing made by "prudent budget Brown" from when Labour were last in power.

However they may be growing a scret forest of money trees Tongue
4 Feb 2018 3:15PM
It may be that Ms Abbott is doing the sums!
Ross_D 4 705 1 United Kingdom
4 Feb 2018 6:38PM
Doesn't surprise me in the least. Corbyn has had a very 'cosy' relationship with Adams;

corbyn adams
As a Labour voter for some 30 years or so (since Wilson but voted Conservative in 2005 election) I despair.
I now feel 'partyless' as I certainly wouldn't vote Labour again but the Conservatives are (IMO anyway) the 'least worst ' option. Heaven help us all !!
brian1208 Plus
14 11.3k 12 United Kingdom
4 Feb 2018 7:29PM

Quote:the Conservatives are (IMO anyway) the 'least worst ' option. Heaven help us all !!


Like you, this has become the criteria I use when it comes to election time. I've long realised that none of the parties care a jot about the good of the electorate as a whole but are just in it for their own little power base.

Sad to say its things like the current political system and the results its having on our country that make me glad I don't have many more years to put up with it

Yet when I talk to my grandchildren they patiently explain to me that I don't understand, this is the world they were born into and they find nothing wrong with it (however, they also distrust the establishment, maybe even more than I do)
ChrisV Plus
11 2.0k 26 United Kingdom
4 Feb 2018 8:00PM
Adams said “I hope they won’t use this [his endorsement] against him. I think Adams is possibly sincere, but if he is, it shows a shocking naïveté. The article in question speaks of talks between Corbyn (really? What was he at the time?), Livingstone and Sin Fein. Conveniently, as usual, it fails to mention the secret talks Whitelaw and later Major had with them (which went on to the Good Friday agreement the war-monger Blair took credit for).

In spite of this most of the press never miss an opportunity to get into a froth about left wing politicians pursuing peace talks. The sad thing is that so many people fall for it. Although I rather suspect those that reference this sort of **** have long since made up their minds anyway.

I won’t say much about the economics apart from questioning how anyone might think the capabilities of those currently in power and the trajectory we’re on displays any indication of competence in that regard. Unless you think the super rich need an even greater share of global wealth.
hobbo Plus
7 1.2k 2 England
4 Feb 2018 8:17PM
If Corbyn should win the next General Election...Britain will bask in a beautiful golden glow, each and everyone of us will receive a minimum state income plus a home to suit our needs, public transport will be free, the NHS will be free for all no matter who, no one will be cold in winter or hungry .....clouds will contain cuckoos and loud grunting and flapping of porcine wings will be heard overhead....

Honest!
Squirrel 11 449 6 England
4 Feb 2018 8:25PM
I look at what we've got. I look at the alternatives, and I don't fancy any of them.
4 Feb 2018 9:36PM

Quote:I think Adams is possibly sincere, but if he is, it shows a shocking naïveté.


Gerry Adams may be many things, but naïve he is not.

It depends how deeply and cynically you want to think about things. People like him gain power through discord and to an extent want that discord to continue because in its absence they fade into irrelevance. if Corbyn becomes PM, the prospect of a united Ireland comes measurably closer and the prospect of a hard border within Ireland measurably recedes. This is not in his interest, so although Corbyn might be closer to him in terms of political philosophy, his selfish political interest is best served by making sure Corbyn never gets close to Number Ten.

Another bad scenario for him would be Ireland leaving the EU. At the moment, Ireland loves the EU, but it has recently become a net financial contributor and with the UK - the second largest net contributor - leaving those Irish contributions are going to increase. At the same time, an EU-mandated customs border with the north and so with Ireland's second largest trading partner will likely come into being. Ireland could in the end decide to leave too, which would be a means to avoid a hard border and trade duties as well as reinstate the pre-EEC common travel area with the UK. Irish citizens are not really foreigners in the UK, but with Brexit that may change unless Ireland also leaves. So-called "Irexit" is not politically significant at the moment but it is being talked about, which would have been unthinkable a couple of years ago. It's still unlikely, but it is no longer impossible. He would want that not to happen, so again his interest is in the UK getting a tough deal pour encourager les autres and so making Ireland determined to stay in - and that again means chucking Corbyn under a bus.
JackAllTog Plus
8 5.0k 58 United Kingdom
4 Feb 2018 11:10PM
Moral outrage and ranting about 'unfair biased systems' seems to the pattern of many who make a lots of noise wanting to destroy the status quo in a vain attempt to bring their own version of selective fairness to allow minority group interests to prevail over mr/mrs average.
But where is the positive message, the idea of actually working together, the idea that fairness and global positions need to operate simultaneously. No one actually tackles the country's real hard issue's - poor schooling and opportunity, organised drug crime and from the top to the bottom, kids with knives/guns. The destruction of community, poor support for the elderly and the litigious society that cripples whole sections of public bodies. Companies that pay no tax and offshore their profits. The housing unbalance costs across the country. The time/money starvation of young families trying to work, live and have kids to positively support the UK into the next generation. Politics so often seems to sell short it aspirations with headlines that only carry a 5 year message.

I'll vote for the party that supports - work hard, live well and help others to do the same.
ChrisV Plus
11 2.0k 26 United Kingdom
5 Feb 2018 10:17AM

Quote:If Corbyn should win the next General Election...Britain will bask in a beautiful golden glow, each and everyone of us will receive a minimum state income plus a home to suit our needs, public transport will be free, the NHS will be free for all no matter who, no one will be cold in winter or hungry .....clouds will contain cuckoos and loud grunting and flapping of porcine wings will be heard overhead....

Honest!



Sounds pretty much what May was promising on the steps of Downing Street after she took the helm when Call-Me-Dave went man overboard.

If there's one essential difference I think it's that Corbyn actually means it when he says those things. Which is a start.
5 Feb 2018 10:42AM

Quote:If there's one essential difference I think it's that Corbyn actually means it when he says those things. Which is a start.


It's not much of a start, though, is it?

There are two ways of dealing with state finances and expenditure - either decide what you want and work out how to pay for it, or decide what you can afford and work out what you can buy with that.

Corbyn's way appears to be to draw up a list of vote-grabbers and blithely assume it will all pay for itself. Not that the Tories under May are much better, but Labour's economic head is in the clouds as usual. I can remember the 1970s, the last time we had that sort of economic idiocy, and it wasn't pretty.

Tellingly, the sort of voters Labour is appealing to now were either not even born last time this nonsense was tried or are middle class faux socialists who are all comfortably wealthy and will not be adversely affected by the disaster waiting to happen.

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