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User_Removed 19 7.3k 6 United Kingdom
7 Sep 2005 7:00AM
However... we are (or I was) talking about the word professional not being part of a profession....
UserRemoved 17 4.2k
7 Sep 2005 9:00AM

How common, Keith.
pj.morley 18 947 United Kingdom
12 Sep 2005 11:39AM
This is an interesting thread, especially for me since I've been contributing to microstock agencies since April.

The vast majority of people who buy from microstock sites would never pay the high prices demanded from traditional stock sources anyway so at the moment there really is no threat.

Photography and photgraphers have always operated a bit of a closed shop in the past making it difficult for people with small portfolios to get a start. There seems to be an attitude that one photographer shouldn't sell an image cheaply if there is another one that can sell a similar image for a higher price. To me that's akin to price fixing.

If your images are good enough then you can demand high prices. If you can then good luck to you. if you can't, does that mean you shouldn't sell your images at any price to protect the pockets of those that can, or those that have the right contacts or know the right people? Well, the barriers are down and there is a free market.

The world is a competitive place, this is just one more thing to compete against.

I also think there is a little snobbery involved here with analogies to kwik fit and asda etc. I can get my exhaust replaced for 40 at kwik fit or I can take my car to specialist garage and get the same work done for 120.00 Why on earth would I pay 120.00 for a job of the same standard?

Some people like to pay 100 for a t shirt, some like to buy a pack of 3 for a tenner. That's the reality and now you can buy photos in the equivalent of a pack of 3.

As for undervaluing your images. Well they're worth nothing if they don't sell. Personally I'm now making more money per month, every month than I have in the last 2 years. I'm more than happy to be an Asda photographer Wink

If anyone else wants to supply to 'Asda' then click on my website in my profile. You'll make a fortune Wink
UserRemoved 17 4.2k
12 Sep 2005 1:05PM
Very good John.

How much do you get for folk signing up?

Nice referrer links.
pj.morley 18 947 United Kingdom
12 Sep 2005 1:08PM
Not a lot. Around 10% average for the sale of each photo Wink But multiply that by hundreds and it's not bad. Plus my own pics that I have for sale and then there's the google ads etc.

I'm just rolling in it. Wink I wish.
UserRemoved 17 4.2k
12 Sep 2005 1:21PM
So in other words you are making money from referrals, from pushing and trying to influence others to join up through your site...

...not very objective.

And possibly advertising Wink
pj.morley 18 947 United Kingdom
12 Sep 2005 2:24PM
Hmmm.. maybe but if you were to do a search on this subject, I was strongly opposed to microstock initially. But then I decided to look into it before forming an opinion. It's easy to go with knee jerk reaction opinions on this sort of subject without having any experience of it.

This is why I found this thread interesting because opinions tend to be polarised between those who think it's the devil's work and see it as a threat but know little about it and those that have tried it or at least looked at it seriously and consider it be a viable means of selling images. I currently have almost 400 images spread over various microstock sites and I'm doing OK with it without referrals which account for a tiny proportion of my earnings.

I'm not defending or advocating microstock. It's not for everyone. I simply make the information available for people to make up their own mind.

Objective? Maybe it's difficult to see how I could be since I have committed myself to this model but I considered the options available for me and chose to go with. Anyone else is free to do the same. If someone registers via my site then yep.. I get a referral fee. That's the business. In addition, epz may get some business their way from the link back to here on my site, either by becoming a subscriber to e2 or clicking on the google ads here.

As for advertisng. Well.... everyone with a link to their own website in their profile is advertising in one way or another whether it's offering a service such as weddings, PR, selling prints or offering training courses and links to their stock photos on Alamy for example Wink

I'm not suggesting that you are trying to influence or push people into buying your services by having your website link in your profile but it could be seen as advertising possibly Wink
UserRemoved 17 4.2k
12 Sep 2005 2:31PM
Touche Wink

But of course I dont ask people to check out my website in the forums...

...oops Wink
pj.morley 18 947 United Kingdom
12 Sep 2005 2:33PM
True Wink

A simple slip of the keys. But let's not draw any more attention to it. lol

I'm actually quite surprised at my success considering how anti microstock I was.

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