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" Willow Tit or Marsh Tit"

By Norfolkboy  
Good evening folks,
A question for you all tonight. I have for a while been wondering if all my Willows are
Willows or some of them Marsh?.
Mossy raised the question yesterday, and over the last few months several of my colleagues at
the Norfolk Naturalists Society have also doubted that I could have a location such as mine devoid of Marsh tits.
I have compared many pictures taken by myself and I can't find any conclusive proof.
Yesterdays upload raised the question again and tonight's image was taken during the same session, but not of the same bird.
Take a look at the two images and if your would like to offer an opinion I would be glad to here it.
Many thanks for the C&C's on yesterdays Willow/Marsh tit.
Colin

Tags: British birds Willow tit Wildlife and nature Parus montanus

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dont no but great shot. christineGrinGrinGrinGrin

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6 Feb 2013 6:33PM
Cracking capture.
Ian
6 Feb 2013 6:50PM
Superb!

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Graham_P 10 1 19 United Kingdom
6 Feb 2013 6:52PM
Nicely captured Colin,
There is always a lot of discussion regarding the two species as they are so similar.
Are you aware of the "white patch" at the base of the upper mandible, it's thought that this occurs on the Marsh Tit but the Willow Tit has a plain black beak. The one in this image definately has the white patch so I would guess Marsh Tit.

http://blx1.bto.org/pdf/ringmigration/24_2/broughton1.pdf

Graham
6 Feb 2013 6:52PM
I'm going for Marsh Tit due to the pale patch at the base of the beak. I've just had another look at your image from yesterday and i agree with mossy on that one too.

Great image btw!
tomcat 11 6.4k 15 United Kingdom
6 Feb 2013 7:04PM
I would say without doubt, that yesterday's is a Willow
Not sure about this oneSmile

At the woods, my Marshies are in and out in a flash, where as the Willows hang around and cram as much seed as possible into their mouth - you have seen the imagesGrin

The additional white barring on the wing feathers is another feature of the Willows
Another tip, which I only heard about recently, is that the Willows have a slightly forked tail - your image of yesterday shows this

They do reckon that the Willow has the untidy/scruffy bib and looks more bullish in the neck
I suppose the dead give away is the call, if they decide to burst into song

I also note, that the Marshies look as if they have a new dinner suit on - always pristine looking, where in fact the Willows do look a tad scruffy at timesGrin

I would go with your gut feeling, though I have had them, not recently, together on the same perch and you can spot the difference easily then

Just looked at the RSPB site and if you bring up a Marshy, then look at the changing images above, then do the same for the Willow, there is a noticeable difference

Hope all this helps


Adrian
User_Removed 4 4 1 United Kingdom
6 Feb 2013 7:04PM
Hi I think its the marsh but for me only by looking in the book and comparing the bib size? but no expert.. good luck such a great photo also. Bob
bricurtis Plus
12 2.1k 49 England
6 Feb 2013 7:09PM
I always go by the size of the black bib Colin - this looks to be a small one so I will go with Marsh Tit too.
Brian.
achieverswales 6 8 101 Wales
6 Feb 2013 7:10PM
Not sure Colin but a cracker of a capture.

Regards

Trev.
saeidNL 7 3 Netherlands
6 Feb 2013 7:11PM
Excellent and lovely capture.
saeid
JuBarney Plus
6 25 3 United Kingdom
6 Feb 2013 7:35PM
A really lovely capture
Ju
6 Feb 2013 7:36PM
Not too sure as to the identity of each bird. But the image tonight is of the same high quality as yesterday's.
Phil.
richmowil Plus
8 321 2 England
6 Feb 2013 7:37PM
Great Capture. Like it a lot - ID I would need to see the outer primaries before I took a stab at it!
Fefe Plus
5 23 31 United Kingdom
6 Feb 2013 8:03PM
Not a clueTongue.................. Lovely whateverGrin
Diane
6 Feb 2013 8:31PM
Excellent capture Colin.
Meheecho 4 275 United Kingdom
6 Feb 2013 9:15PM
I've always been told that you go by the bib but they are so fleeting it is really hard to ID but that said it is still a great capture
Steve
A stunning image.Smile
Peter.
mossy 4 46 1 England
6 Feb 2013 11:14PM
Marsh tit for me, did reply to your PM hope it helps.
On what's visible here 'white patch' + very small bib I think we can says this is a Marsh Tit.
The call is the most reliable ID.

It's a great image.

Malcolm
teocali Plus
9 441 18 England
7 Feb 2013 9:44AM
Cracking capture of what I would say is a Marsh Tit, Colin. Very interesting reading off the link provided by Graham_P Smile
Sylvia
BIGRY1 Plus
5 3 8 United Kingdom
7 Feb 2013 3:29PM
I haven't got a clue which one it is but this is a cracking image, one of your better ones IMO!GrinGrinGrinGrinGrin
Ryan
annettep38 Plus
6 218 40 Costa Rica
7 Feb 2013 3:52PM
Well we don't get willow tits so no help from me I'm afraid
but it is a fantastic capture!!
Mike_Smith Plus
10 396 1 United Kingdom
7 Feb 2013 5:49PM
Cracking shot Col, always been debatable between the two

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