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Abandoned 1

By chavender
I found this abandoned vehicle and thought it would make a good image.
Manipulated in Photoshop to give some atmosphere and added a slight tone and some grain.
Iso 200

All comments welcome and thanks for looking.

Tags: Black and white Digitally manipulated

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This photo is here for critique. Please only comment constructively and with suggestions on how to improve it.


Andysnapper Plus
9 109 25 England
5 Dec 2010 9:44AM
I think this is excellent. My only very slight niggle is that the vehicle might have been better placed to the right of the image. I know this sounds strange but it feels almost as if where it is is leading you away from the picture out of the LHS. Trouble is that if you do that you lose the interest on the rhs.
I may of course be talking a load of old rubbish.... Its a great image anyway.



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5 Dec 2010 10:24AM
A great shot! just from compositional aspect I would agree with andy, if we focus on the vehicle the way it is positioned it leads the eyes towards the left hand side and then out of the frame and the rigth half of the frame is wasted. However, it is placed on the right hand side then vehicle leads the eyes from RHS to LHS and whole frame is used. I am not sure but I think in PS we can change it like mirror it somehow. Some one from the critique team may be able to do that to give you and idea
Great image over all!!

chavender Plus
7 270 1 France
5 Dec 2010 10:52AM
Thanks all,
I did try a mirrored version Andy,Farhan but thought the original better.
Thanks for the horizon advice Frank, much better!
Paintman Plus
11 1.2k 177 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2010 11:01AM
In the mod I cropped the right side and bottom to make the van sit better in the composition. I increased the contrast of the f/g so the detail in the grass and scattered debris showed up and lightened the van just for the hell of itSmile

I think the subject is excellent and the treatment is pretty good and suits the image. Maybe the composition could be worked on to give it greater impact. I agree with Andy on the placement of the vehicle.

Jestertheclown Plus
9 7.6k 252 England
5 Dec 2010 9:54PM
There's a school of thought that says when photographing birds they should be facing from left to right 'cos that's the way we write and that's how our brains are programmed to see things.
However,in this case, I'm not sure that placing the vehicle on one side or the other makes much diference. Either way it's facing out of the shot. What it needs is for the vehicle to be turned around within the shot so that it's facing the centre.

Opinions anyone?

Jestertheclown Plus
9 7.6k 252 England
5 Dec 2010 11:30PM
Please see my mods.
I flipped the whole thing, then turned the vehicle round to achieve the first mod. then flipped the whole thing over again to make it work from left to right.

chavender Plus
7 270 1 France
6 Dec 2010 7:22AM
Hi Bren
Your second mod works well for me giving a good balance and seems "right". Also placing the roof on the horizon eliminates the space between and gives a tighter look
I assume that you selected the vehicle and reversed this within the frame. Many thanks for taking the time to improve this shot and for your critique.

paulbroad Plus
10 123 1216 United Kingdom
6 Dec 2010 9:21AM
The second mod is good. A fine mono, but the vehicle remains do look the wrong way round compositionally.

Robert51 Plus
9 7 57 United Kingdom
6 Dec 2010 10:41AM
Hi Bill

A super shot that works really well in black and white. Also a image that will lend itself to a whole array of different toning to bring out the very best in the picture.

Jestertheclown Plus
9 7.6k 252 England
6 Dec 2010 4:25PM

Quote:I assume that you selected the vehicle and reversed this within the frame.

I flipped (a copy of) the whole image, then selected the vehicle, inverted my selection and removed everything except the vehicle. I then saves that layer as a Psd.
I then selected and removed the vehicle from another copy, this time not flipped and placed the first copy on top.
Once it was in the right place, I flattened it and then it was just a matter of cloning some background to hopefully blend it in.
If you look at my mod., you'll see that the bit through the vehicle should have but doesn't have an area of sky and that the horizon no longer continues straight across.
As Paul says, compositionaly, it's not quite right but you get the idea!

6 Dec 2010 9:18PM
I like some of what has been done above with the mods for a well caught photo, but I have uploaded something a little different. Whilst I have also given this a crop it needs, I have played around with the levels in the foreground then added some noise to 'age' the picture.

It looks like something you might expect to see in an old photo, so why not try and add to that.


DRicherby Plus
9 269 725 United Kingdom
8 Dec 2010 12:59PM
You've found an excellent subject and had the good fortune for it to be under an interesting sky. Black and white is a good choice but the conversion is a bit lacking in contrast for my taste. For a shot like this, I'd be very tempted to shoot through a polarizer and convert simulating an orange or even red filter to get the contrast of the sky right up.

I'd echo the comments above about the placement of the van and the horizon. The rule of thirds is a good starting point for a shot like this — some kind of object placed in a fairly flat space with a background.

Within that framework, there are a few choices: four possible locations for the van and two for the horizon, for a total of eight combinations. Two of these (horizon on the lower third and van on either of the upper intersections) are physically impossible. Three of the remaining possibilities place the van on the left, facing to the left. As has been discussed above, the viewer's eye tends to follow the direction the van is pointing in which leads the eye out of the frame. Once they've stopped looking at your photograph, you've lost their attention. This leaves three possibilities within the rule of thirds and, of course, the possibility of stretching or breaking the rule (which is, of course, not really a rule but a guideline). Placing the horizon on the top third would tend to emphasize the wide space the van is in, though this would probably only work with a relatively uncluttered foreground. With the horizon there, placing the van on the bottom third would need an elevated viewpoint, which might not be possible but which would give an interesting effect; placing it on the top third would make it a part of the landscape, rather than a subject as such, as it would be rather small and in the distance. I rather like the option of putting the the horizon in the lower third, as it is in Frank's mod. The sky adds a nice dynamic element, in contrast to the van, which has obviously done nothing for years or even decades. You can almost imagine a time-lapse film of the van doing absolutely nothing, while the clouds whizz past.

I've never bought this idea that things should be moving/facing from left to right 'because that's the way we read'. If that were true, readers of Arabic and Hebrew must prefer things moving from right to left and, presumably, the Chinese would prefer them plumeting downwards... Wouldn't photography get rather boring if everything faced to the right? Having said that, a photo can often feel very different when mirrored so it's often worth trying, when you have an image that doesn't contain any writing or otherwise have an obvious correct orientation.
1 Aug 2011 7:41AM
Great Landscape, love the sky.....

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