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along Deal pier

By mogobiker
10 stops filter used to capture this image . converted to black and white . it was a windy , overcast day . i experimented with a different angles and views of the pier . i took a few photos underneath the pier and a few from right and left side . i took a few photos with 10 stops filter and a few without to capture the very raw waves ( coming soon ) .

Tags: Black and white Deal pier



mrswoolybill Plus
16 4.1k 2606 United Kingdom
11 Jun 2015 9:37PM
Technically, this isn't my area and I have no particular issues there. But as a composition it doesn't quite work for me. I've looked at it several times trying to figure out why...

Various niggles. That diagonal hitting the top edge a little way into the frame. Diagonals are so very much stronger when they are securely anchored to a corner of the frame. A diagonal ending mid-way along an edge is much weaker.

The sea is tidily level, the shoreline is a weak diagonal. Neither level nor dynamically slanted...

The most important problem to my eye: we see only one support on the left. So the near end of the pier is effectively balancing on one leg and liable to topple over...

I've uploaded a mod. I skewed to level the shoreline and lift the top left corner to balance, then cropped to square putting the diagonal into the top right corner. The end of the pier is more or less on the third.

It seems tidier, more contained, but it doesn't have the breadth of the original. See what you think.

I'm looking forward to seeing the waves as they could add the dynamic energy that seems to be lacking here.
dudler Plus
19 2.1k 2018 England
12 Jun 2015 5:38AM
As Moira says, this doesn't quite work. All the elements to make it great, but not quite coordinated... I'm going to ramble a bit, I think, trying to work out why it didn't work.

I've tried a crop which came out rather like Guy's: this uses the thirds, but the right hand side looks empty... If the clouds had been over there, maybe?

As things were, I reckon you could have moved to your right to get more of the pier in, and put the right hand edge of the frame closer to the end of the pier: sometimes an extreme crop works best.

This would allow you to get the left side anchored with both of the supports visible.

It looks as though the lighting was not very exciting: then, you need to find more texture and form to make a good picture. That would make pointing the camera down so that the stones are the main part of the picture good, perhaps.

I wonder if the 10x filter is the problem: I suspect that the technique meant that you had to include a lot of sea (and a windy day would make the sea attractive, to get white water). And maybe the lighting and location didn't really suit the technique?

Ah, yes. The wind. This sort of shot needs to be perfectly sharp to be really impressive, and the wind may have wobbled your tripod a bit. A good tip is to hang your bag or some stones from your tripod for stability - but (and most people don't know this) it's important that the weight touches the ground so that it can't swing around in the wind, and make things less stable rather than more so!

This nearly makes it, but I think it needs to be more extreme. More wideangle, more contrast, more angles... Or, on the other hand, it needs to be like a large format shot, utterly sharp, completely forensic, showing every detail.

Yet again, you're experimenting, trying different things, which is the way to learn, and to master techniques.

This leads to one further suggestion: stick with each technique, and apply what you learn as soon as possible - don't try, then abandon things. (And I realise that with one post a day you will be doing loads of stuff that we're not seeing!)

Keep taking the pictures.
12 Jun 2015 7:38AM
Hi, I just tried to make an effort to make my own version.. not better, just an other look.
The horizon is straightened a little, a 3/4 crop made and changed to warmer sepia color.
I like what Moira created and would also opt for a square crop. I did also consider to add grittyness like John did... his modification gives it a more organic analogue feel to it.
Looking forward to see more of your work!
Kind regards, Guy
mrswoolybill Plus
16 4.1k 2606 United Kingdom
12 Jun 2015 10:33AM
John's crop deals with the issues of the cut-off diagonal and the single leg, and actually gives greater drama to the angle of the shoreline. It retains the breadth of the view too.

I was thinking about this one overnight - composition is about arranging lines in a frame to best effect. Sometimes subjects can be darned uncooperative in that respect... It's a question of moving round and looking through the lens. Ignore all the periphery that your eyes can see without the camera, all that matters is what actually appears in that frame...
mogobiker 8 4 1 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2015 7:53AM
thank guys for comments .
i uploaded the other photo taken under the pier this time , with a big waves smashing the pier pillars - just water on the air - please have a look and add some comments as well .
i forgot to thick the critique square Sad but please if you can have a look and tell my what do you think about it .
thank you

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